To wonder why on earth you would not vaccinate your DCs?

[olimpia]

I hear from another thread that some people choose not to vaccinate their DCs at all and I'm genuinely interested to hear why because I can't think of a single reason not to. I can perhaps understand opting out of the MMR if someone believes the bad press (not that I do) but all the other vaccinations? Why, oh why?
(not a troll! Just relatively new to MN)

Which question LeBFG? I didn;t realise you had asked me one directly.

Funny how you only doubt the bit relating to vaccination. Bit of a theme developing.

Bumble was this your answer? Because if it is, it's a swerve.

Why would I put any argument to a mother who had lost her child to whooping cough? Would you say to her 'oh, it couldn't be my kidsor me because we've all been vaccinated?' hmm what point are you trying to make?

If you've given a different answer and I've missed it, apologies.

and which source lebfg?

You, and others, insist it is important the fact vaccine-confered immunity may wane. Why? You said it alters people's behaviour and give the newborn example. Which I can't believe. Any other reasons?

No, thats it gnu. although I did make a few more points afetrwards as well.

LEBFG, I think you'll find that we're talking about it waning in reference to herd immunity. It is quite relevant in that context.

Your own link bumble

OK Bumbley then you clearly won't answer. I can't be bothered to be Jeremy Paxman and ask 17 times. But it just undermines your argument.

We get it anti-vaxers, you don't like vaccinations but please stop downplaying these diseases with your --useless- anecdotes. I don't give a shit if you think measles or mumps or small pox isn't dangerous because you're wrong and you'd feel differently if it were your child who had serious complications. And I know you're going to tell me how bad I'd feel if my child was vaccine damaged and for the record, I am really sorry that children do get damaged and it's horrific. However, even according to the link someone posted above, the risk is minimal. Your child is more likely to (g-d forbid!) get hit by a car but I'm sure you cross the road. Why is the road analogy relevant? Because we take risks every damn day of our lives.

Btw this wasn't to all anti-vaxers but heavens above, there is some shit in this thread!

Agree crashdoll - I think I'm losing the will to live....

The CDC one LeBFG? I've already said why I posted that one and I'm not sure why you don't like the source.

gnu, I've already answered. I think it is a daft question because of course you are not going to start talking to a recently bereaved mother about the pertussis vaccine not being effective but I do think it's relevant. Pertussis is endemic despite high levels of vaccination so you can't blame the unvacciated.

Severe measles is more likely among poorly nourished young children, especially those with insufficient vitamin A, or whose immune systems have been weakened by HIV/AIDS or other diseases.

Ho hum; a few days ago I was shot down in flames for suggesting that some people believed that a good diet would help to ward off infection....

Bumbly would you care to put your argument about the uselessness of whooping cough vaccine to the mother of the month-old baby who died of it, most likely from catching it from a child who deliberately wasn't vaccinated because their parent had decided not to bother because, well, it would just wear off anyway?

But if you are vaccinated, you can still get the disease, although it's expected to be in a milder form, so you could still pass it on to the month old baby who hadn't been vaccinated.

crashdoll, why do you think mumps is dangerous? Someone posted the info for it earlier. I don't think that anyone has said that smallpox was a dangerous disease and people have said that measles can be dangerous so basically most of your post is wrong.

crashdoll - have you not read the thread? the posts from people who are clearly not anti-vaxxers, since they have children damaged by vaccines? (and understandably, therefore, are more cautious with subsequent children)

the posts outlining why the risk is substantially higher for some children than it is for others?

the anecdotes thing does get irritating, but tbh, it would seem that the vehemently pro-vaxxers get that all going with stories of death and lifelong disability, and then these are countered by stories of more typical disease exposure.

if you are getting bored/irritated by the thread and discussion -no one is forcing you to read or post. switch off and go and do something else.

Volcan, I think I mentioned the link to Vitamin A back when you mentioned that. Many people aren't aware of that.

Good post Dinosaurs.

Volcan, I mean not aware of the link between Vitamin A deficiency and risk of measles complications - not aware that I mentioned it iykwim!

bumbley it's endemic where vaccination rates are low. Your link.
Yes, it would be insensitive to have that conversation with the recently bereaved mother -- but you know perfectly well what her reaction would be to your argument were she to find out what you believed.
Crashdoll puts it well.
And like LeBFG I am losing the will to live. So goodnight all.

most children in developed countries aren't vit a deficient, its really not an issue, helps a lot in poor countries though

and i stand corrected about pertussis not being endemic in the US, turns out it is. I'm very glad I know this now as my dd is approaching 5 years since her last booster so I can now speak with her doctor about getting her another booster to ensure she is protected.

I'm bored of people peddling rubbish with anecdotes of "I had measles and I was fine" which implies exactly what? I was being facetious with the small pox reference. I do think there is scope for improvement with the vaccination schedule. So, I'm not massive pro vax and I've said before, when I have children, I will be doing a lot of research given my autoimmune disorders. The bottom line is; vaccines unfortunately do leave some children damaged and there is no excuse for that, it's horrific for them and their families. The way some people keep going on though, you'd think it washappening in one out of every 10 vaxed children! However, the diseases also leave some children damaged so arguing that you had it and were fine is irrelevant.

No, gnu, that is not what the link says:

"Pertussis is endemic worldwide, even in areas with high vaccination rates."

"so basically most of your post is wrong."

LOL I didn't make that many statements in my post so I'm not sure how my personal opinion can be wrong but hey ho!