To wonder why on earth you would not vaccinate your DCs?

[olimpia]

I hear from another thread that some people choose not to vaccinate their DCs at all and I'm genuinely interested to hear why because I can't think of a single reason not to. I can perhaps understand opting out of the MMR if someone believes the bad press (not that I do) but all the other vaccinations? Why, oh why?
(not a troll! Just relatively new to MN)

forcibly
That's a stong word and not something anyone is suggesting here.

'Civil Liberties' Well that is an entire new thread. You are talking about Big Brother and 1984 in the breath as pro-vaccination. It's being slightly disingenuous.

Correct me if I'm wrong, Elaine but is it not the fact that some states in the US say ' No jabs, no school'? with some exceptions.

I think we, in the UK are extremely tolerant, of so much actually. It may do you well to look at other counties policies.

Stopping you from doing what? So where do you live now, Leonie? From your post, and correct me if I'm wrong, it sounds as though the UK is tolerating your views in a way the US would not?

Is that not good, at least better? Don't slate our NHS. We are very, very proud of it.
Forgive me if you are using the NHS generically and you live elsewhere

But it's one area where you don't need 'herd immunity'. The disease itself is minor. It's dangerous for pregnant women so immunising girls at around 9 years, in case they got pregnant within the next few years, which some will, seemed a good approach.

I think you are right that it's one area where babies are getting vaccinated anyway, so why not bung another in, seems to be the reasoning.

It's also not possible to obtain the vaccine singly now, so someone who objected to the MMR vaccine has to forgo the lot.

I don't quite get this heard immunity thing. Can someone explain?

You have a vax which should protect from a disease, let's say TB. So regardless of what is going on around, you should not catch TB or have a very mild form of it. (that's the whole idea behind vaccination isn't it?) So you don't need a herd immunity to protect you.
Now if you consider that you need herd immunity, this is because you know that immunizations can loose their efficiency or will not protect you fully. So even if everybody was having a vax, there will still be some people getting TB regardless and TB will still exists.

So why is it so important that we all get vaccinated?

I think the idea is that with sufficient take up it the herd immunity would protect those who were not able to have the vaccination for some reason.

But by the same token, you might think, if sufficient people caught the disease naturally there would be herd immunity. Isn't this supposed to be why new strains of flu can be deadly? Most people have gained immunity to the older strains somehow, mostly not by vaccination , so it lays them low, but doesn't usually kill them, but they have no immunity to a new strain.

Or presumably if the vaccinations lose their efficiency then the herd immunity will also go? But we are not told this, and blithely assume that things are OK.

I do think that vaccination has its place but I don't believe all the bollocks we are told we are given full information.

I know a mum who doesn't want anything un- natural entering her child's body.She avoids all non organic foods, creams ect. She tels me shedoesn't want mercury and aluminium phosphate and amonium sulfate and formaldehyde and viruses injected into her child.

Neither do I really, but I decided it's the lesser of two evils for my children.

If a parent decides to not vaccinate, accepting their child might catch a disease and this is the preferable to vaccinating, I totally respect that. What does irk me is those parents who rely on me (and the majority of parents) vaccinating my child so theirs can benefit from herd immunity. I would very much have liked not to have my children vaccinated, but have seen the damage measles and polio, etc can do to a child.

The Mum who doesn't want anything unnatural entering her child's body might well tell you that she is relying on the keeping the child healthy so that it wards off diseases naturally. I would very much be surprised if she is relying on herd immunity.

I think she'll have a tough job on avoiding all things unnatural, and she will almost certainly find as the child gets older it has a mind of it's own, but those are different stories.

its own - not it's own (gross error)

Leonie That link is from a biased website. It is not a balanced view.

It is really difficult to find unbiased advice,because so much money is made out of vaccines and the pharma industry in general,when reading something about vaccines i always ask myself,what does this person/organization get out of telling me this?

And some of the tosh information that people are told to persuade them to vaccinate is unbiased? Like the person up thread whose HV told her that if the government approved it, it must be OK?

It's one view - there is nothing to stop you looking around for other websites and forming your own view based on a balance of opinion.

I didn't say that did I? Please don't jump down my throat. I sit firmly on the fence and have read compelling accounts of why you should vaccinate but also why you shouldn't. However, there is also a lot of crap in here.

They don't immunise because the vast majority of people are responsible and do get their DC vaccinated.Thisd means they don't see children dying from diptheria and polio and they can get their children a free ride off everyone else's back have the luxury of choice.

I wasn't meaning to jump down your throat. I noticed that those on the website given were Drs mostly; which just goes to show that not all medical professionals are of one mind, but you would never know that from what we are told.

Medicine is rather littered with Drs who dared to question the prevailing orthodoxy and were ostracised by the other members of their profession.

Anyone who presents the other side, the stuff the DOH and their line of spin doctors, pardon the pun, dont want us to read, that's what i want to know.

Stuff like this is why it can be hard to take anti-vaxers seriously. The idea that the medical profession are out to get them.

Leonie You're wrong. There is no reason for people with autoimmune diseases not to vaccinate. I was told it was more important as due to my poor immune system, minor illnesses could cause serious illnesses.

A local school has a measles outbreak after it was caught on a school trip to France (yes France, not India or an african shanty town). When will people understand it doesn't matter how many children the NHS vaccinates there will never be herd immunity in this country, there are too many people travelling to and from other countries (on holidays/visiting friends and families/working abroad), too many immigrants (illegal or otherwise), a huge tourist industry, the Olympics! Even those who don't come in on the back of a lorry aren't asked to prove if they are fully up to date with vaccinations or whether they have recently been exposed to diseases. People who have never left this country and were vaccinated as children are never troubled again to find out if their immunity to diseases has worn off. On an average bus journey in my town I'd be surprised if 1/3 of the passengers was fully protected.

LeonieDelt, yes my friend admits she is relying on herd immunity, and homeopathy.

I didn't want to put the vaccine into my children. But my desire for them not to catch certain diseases was greater. In a perfect world there would have been no need to vaccinate.

I am very grateful to have the choice. It must be dreadful not to have access to vaccines, or to be forced into vaccinating your child.