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To mention this to DS's new teacher?

59 replies

MegumiEto · 02/07/2012 10:40

DS is my eldest, so possibly being a bit PFB, but also a bit wary because I never enjoyed school at all and I want him to have a better experience than I did. I also don't know much about how schools operate these days, everything is very different than it was when I went.

DS is going to be one of the very youngest in his year, and will only just have turned four when he starts school this Sept. He's also not spent a lot of time away from home, only had 9hrs a week at preschool since November.

For all that, he's not a shy kid, and has settled in pretty well. BUT, he has a real temper and can be very very defiant if not handled properly. By handled properly, I mean you have to encourage him to do something rather than tell him, threaten him etc. If he perceives that he is being told what to do, it's like a switch flips and he reverts back to the terrible twos - screaming, hitting, kicking, refusing to do anything.

Over time, I've realised the best thing to do for a calm household is to encourage him gently to do things and tell him he is helping me etc. I don't sweat the small stuff and things are a lot smoother.

Preschool has been ok, a few behaviour problems but his carer has handled him brilliantly, and brings the best out of him in the same way i do at home.

I'm worried that when he moves up to school, he might just seem like a naughty kid and just get an endless series of punishments rather than have the best brought out of him if the teacher doesn't realise how to handle him.

On the other hand, maybe it would be best if he realised he can't behave like a silly toddler every time something doesn't go his way, and it might help him to stop this behaviour? I have had no success with this approach at home, BTW.

I'm asking for opinions because the teacher is coming for a home visit next week and I'm not sure whether to raise it with her.

OP posts:
takingiteasy · 02/07/2012 11:38

Sorry to hijack but does that mean you can't actually hold back the start of school in England? You can defer but it just means they miss their first year and join in for the 2nd year?

BettySwollocksandaCrustyRack · 02/07/2012 11:39

Yes if you defer then they wont start in reception but will go straight into year one so in effect you arent so much deferring them as making them miss a year of school.

takingiteasy · 02/07/2012 11:41

Really? So there's no option to hold back a year?

BettySwollocksandaCrustyRack · 02/07/2012 11:43

No, well not where we are anyway. I looked into this as DS is late August so started when he had just turned 4!!

NannyPlumIsMyMum · 02/07/2012 11:43

agree with worra and whitewidow - no I would not tell school.
You can not be with your son 24/7 through life to manage his behaviour - he needs to learn how to manage his emotions and control his behaviour at school.

TheSpokenNerd · 02/07/2012 11:46

I do think communication is important but also that DC have to learn that teachers are not their parents and do expect different things...you have to let the teachers work him out....my DD was also the youngest and she has been fine as her teachers know this!

they're used to little ones...you need to let go and instead of seeing problems before they happen, deal with them if they arise.

NannyPlumIsMyMum · 02/07/2012 11:46

There is not much point in deferring because when he does start school, they will put him straight in Yr 1 with the same set of children.
He will have missed reception and may struggle to catch up the children who have had the extra year.
Only know this because we looked in to it for our DS who has only just turned 4 , he starts in Sept too.

imnotmymum · 02/07/2012 11:47

But it not really missing a year or whatever of school if you do some bits with them at home and being and doing things with Mum can help them to develop if of course you can stay at home. My DD is bright and doing great at school even though only been there almost 2 years

TheSpokenNerd · 02/07/2012 11:47

They don't have t do reeption by law...but when they begin in year one, their peers will all be well established in the class.

TheSpokenNerd · 02/07/2012 11:48

imnnotmymum I do agree to a point actually...some DC slot into a well established class with no issues at all....the friendships are so moveable untilt the DC get to about 9 or 10 anyway!

lovebunny · 02/07/2012 11:48

certainly tell the teacher - its exactly what she needs to know. but bear in mind that he won't be her only charge, and that she won't be able to give him the individual attention that you can.

BettySwollocksandaCrustyRack · 02/07/2012 11:50

Well of course they are missing school.........and a very important year. I do stuff with my DS but I dont kid myself that I would do a good a job as a reception teacher.

it's horses for courses though. Legally you dont have to send them until the term after their 5th birthday so deferring probably works well for some, its just something I never wanted for my DS. He was bored of preschool and so ready for school, another year of preschool and he would have just switched off I reckon and hated it.

littlemachine · 02/07/2012 11:52

Nanny I agree with you that he needs to learn to do this he may not be able to learn to manage his emotions without any guidance. He might need his mum to teach him this at home and his teacher to teach him this in school. Emotional development is a vital component of the Early Years Curriculum and we have plenty of time to devote to it. It really is helpful if we know the child might need guidance in this area. If the child has been to nursery, then we have a wealth of information about them, if they haven't then that information needs to come from parents.

TheSpokenNerd · 02/07/2012 11:52

That's it Betty...my DD is 4 and a half and she's going loopy being with me three week days! Of cours it is hard when your DC is the youngest...my older DD was...and I can STILL see a difference now she's n year three...some of her peers are alost 9 and she's not 8 yet! These great big gangly girls tower over poor litte DD but she's catching thm up academcally now. It all levels out in the end.

littlemachine · 02/07/2012 11:53

Sorry, should have been a 'but' in this first sentence!

MrsCampbellBlack · 02/07/2012 11:54

It is really hard when they're so young when they start school as so many of the august children just don't have the emotional maturity of children who are often nearly a whole year older.

My eldest DS is just finishing year 3 and I'd say its actually taken him till now to reach a similar level of emotional/social maturity as his peers. Its been jolly hard and he's in a nice school with small classes and quite a few other summer babies in his class.

I would mention it to the teacher and hope he/she is good. I got sick to death of being told my teachers how young my son was - I mean yes he was but was I meant to do - put him in a time machine?

There is a growing tendency at our school to keep the august boys down a year for this reason - not sure if I think its good or bad really but in hindsight perhaps I should have considered it.

NannyPlumIsMyMum · 02/07/2012 11:54

Outstanding Ofsted reports really do have limited value .
The report can be outstanding but the school/nursery can be way less than outstanding.
I'm not saying thats in your case brain but they have limited value and are not always a true reflection of care.
Sorry to side track.
I still wouldn't tell school.

imnotmymum · 02/07/2012 11:56

I can see it an issue if going to nursery etc my DCs did not go to pre school or nursery

NannyPlumIsMyMum · 02/07/2012 11:59

littlemachine yes.
That's what I'm meaning really- mum does it at home and teachers do it at school.
Could this be something mum discusses at the first parents evening after an initial assessment by the teachers?

BettySwollocksandaCrustyRack · 02/07/2012 12:04

Nerd- yes, my son is still waiting to turn 10 and yet loads of his friends are soon to be 11..he spends his whole life catching up one way or another.

I would say that probably the end of year 3 and it levelled out academically wise.....he is now at the level he would be in year 5 regardless of his birth date.

Mind you, for the first few years of his schooling I would always be ready with my quip for his teacher he's a young one dont forget and could see inwardly their eyes rolling.

I have only met one teacher - and not his teacher but his maths tutor - who agrees that young ones do have to catch up and are at a disadvantage. All the other teachers say that he has had the same amount of schooling as the older ones so there is no difference. We agree to disagree ........ they have had a years more life experience and I think when they're small that counts for a lot.

TheSpokenNerd · 02/07/2012 12:06

me too Betty! DD changed schools last year and her teacher was all "Oh her writing is bad!" and I had to say it "She only JUST turned 7!"

She would be bloody WELL ahead if she was in year two right now!

MrsCampbellBlack · 02/07/2012 12:07

I agree Betty - for my DS its not necessarily been the academic stuff but more the social and emotional maturity.

And of course sport - where he is physically less tall and strong than many of the other boys so doesn't make the teams etc.

BettySwollocksandaCrustyRack · 02/07/2012 12:08

I know........I was told that DS's reading was average and I was like - what average for year 3 or average for a 7 year old?? It does make a big difference, used to be a big bug bear of mine. They cant just sweep the whole of the school year into the same section, its just madness!

BettySwollocksandaCrustyRack · 02/07/2012 12:10

Mrs - My DS gave up football for that reason - he is small anyway and doesnt run too fast and never gets picked for anything...still, he's more creative anyway so not too fussed.

littlemachine · 02/07/2012 12:10

It could be discussed at parent's evening, but the time is so limited then. At home visits you have more time to talk things through.

To me, it is important to have an open dialogue from the start and no harm can come of me knowing information that I might not need.

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