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Grandparents and nut allergies... (long post sorry)

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ishopthereforeiam · 18/06/2012 12:50

DD is 18mo and has been diagnosed with a mild to moderate nut allergy (face, neck and chest gets red and blotchy, coughs, runny nose and sneezing) and we've bee told by hospital to avoid all nuts completely in the next 12 months. Have told both sets of dd's grandparents this and explained that although her reactions have been mild to date they could change to severe, tighten her throat, restrict her breathing and very very very worst case scenario cause death. Hence, we need to check all packaging of food to make sure no nuts.

MiL (2-3 weeks ago) had bought some co-op cookies (where you get 5-6 in a bag) and said there were no nuts. I was dubious (as I had bought similar ones from other stores and they all had nut warnings on) - she said she'd checked the ingredients so I said nothing (didn't want to overly challenge her but mentioned to DH) luckily DH said he wanted the packet, passed it to me and as I suspected there was a nut allergy warning. MiL was horrified that she could have done something so awful etc etc I said not to worry, we just need to be careful and showed her where the allergy warnings were and said even if not in the ingredients it may be produced in a factory with traces of nuts etc etc and cause cross contamination.

This weekend, DD already having a tough time as some corn flakes had kicked her reaction off. We gave her meds but she still had runny nose etc. Visiting MiL I explained alhtough she was certain DD had hayfever Hmm not allergic reaction. Then MiL takes DD off to the kitchen and says let me give you some cookies and starts to rummage around in the cupboard. I follow in and help to take the Cleberations box down for her... she has a a box full of odds and ends of half open packets of biscuits including some sealed Ginger Nuts and leftovers from Victorias biscuits etc. I say let's not give these to DD as other biscuits in the Celebrations box may have nuts in. Oh no, she says, pulling out a foil wrapped Victorias choccy biccy (who knows how old it was!?). I then proceed to explain, again, even if this is not a nutty biscuit it could still have traces of nuts from factory. No no no, I checked the tin, she says (tin is long gone as I suspect these biscuits have been in the box for a year plus). I leave the kitchen. She gives the biscuit to DD. DD remains runny nosed, watery eyed and sneezing for the rest of the day.

Get home - check online and lo and behold the Victorias tins do have a warning about nuts. Have written a factual email to both sets of grandparents stating why packaging needs checking (again, already told them this face to face), what the reactions are along with hospital guidance note.

I am seriously pissed off now as I don't get why she fibs about it (previously she has a history of fibbing about silly things, giving us DH / DSiL old clothes but pretending they are new - I would have taken them for sentimental value anyway. Making things and pretending she's bought them - again I think making things is a nice sentiment and no it's not because she is hard up for cash etc as she does buy things for dd too). Small fibs I don't mind but this could have caused dd harm.

AIBU??

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MrsZoidberg · 18/06/2012 17:02

Could you take MiL to one of your DDs appointment so that she can hear a Doctor say it?

Bobyan · 18/06/2012 18:58

amykins my ds is also intolerant to milk and I have also had my mil attempting to cure him by giving him small amounts, normally resulting explosive nappiies and vomiting. I sorry to say this has been a major factor in the deterioration of my relationship with them.
I think the final straw was my Mil hiding milk chocolate in the wrapping paper of his Christmas presents, hoping I wouldn't notice before he'd eaten them...

Nuttyprofessor · 18/06/2012 19:08

I went to the garage got a bottle of weed killer poured it in a glass and asked my Mil to drink it. As she didn't have a problem giving life endangering toxins to my child I thought it was only fair. That got the message across.

I nearly lost my DS due to anaphylaxis nut allergy.

Bobyan · 18/06/2012 19:10

nutty I might try that but forget to tell mil what it is. Grin

DollysDrawers · 18/06/2012 19:34

YANBU at all. This kind of thing makes me so cross. My friends daughter has a nut allergy but my friends parents treated it all like a bit of a joke at first. The old 'they didn't have nut allergies in our day' line was trotted out on more than one occasion. So, they decided to put it to the test and gave her something with nuts in to to 'prove' that it was all a load of nonsense. The little girl had a massive anaphalactic shock and ended up in ICU for 6 days. They nearly killed her. My friend has nothing at all to do with her parents these days and was very close to taking the matter up with the police.

parno · 18/06/2012 19:35

I suppose I should be grateful that my ex mil is so vigilant with dd's mild nut allergy that she phoned me to check that nutmeg was acceptable!

electricalbanana · 18/06/2012 19:54

i think it is something to do with grandparents!

my parents still find it difficult to get their heads round DD2s diabetes....she has had it for 12 years and is 20 now. She needs to be monitored as she has learning disability.

They cannot understand why she needs to be fed 3 times a day at regular times and cannot "skip lunch as we will be having a big tea"

But they are old i hear you cry.....well they arent...they are both just retired. dad was a teacher and mum was a bloody health care assistant!!!!!!!

we rarely let them look after DD2 as i feel they put her at risk....which is a bloody shame as she is really lovely and loves them so much!

ishopthereforeiam · 18/06/2012 21:01

Wow, a, Shock absolutely horrified at some of the things that have been done... there does seem to be a hard core school of thought that allergies can be cured and resistance built up but feeding small bits at a time and if anyone tries that with dd I will take nutty's approach!

FiL sent a nice email saying try not to to worry, we will all get through this etc etc but also that dd will build up a resistance (hopefully) and outgrow it as sil had a dust allergy as a child and is ok now... I explained form what I'm aware of only 10% of children will outgrow a nut allergy (so it's not a case of building up resistance).

Have handed it all over to DH to manage as I feel like I am always "battling" to stand my ground with MiL as she is so strong willed so food for dd when we visit them / they come over will be his issue to manage (he can be firmer with his mum than I feel I can be). Fingers crossed...

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hiddenhome · 18/06/2012 21:31

YANBU ExP's family used to play Russian roulette with ds1 and his nut allergy even though they were fully aware that it could kill him and he had to carry an epipen everywhere. Thankfully, his reactions haven't been severe and he is now old enough to police his own diet. They're the sort of people who don't like being told what to do and even his own father is careless and stupid when it comes to this.

It's been bloody stressful though and my mental health took a toll due to being constantly panicky when ds was away Sad

I think you really need to lay the law down and download some information for them. Any further mistakes/carelessness on their part and they don't see your child. Safety is the most important thing.

hiddenhome · 18/06/2012 21:33

Oh, and another thing. ds1 has outgrown his peanut allergy because he hasn't come into contact with peanuts since being a toddler. He has come into contact with hazelnut and walnut and he's now severely allergic to both of these, so repeated contact can make the allergy worse, so the grandparents are being pig thick by thinking small amounts will cure this allergy Angry

Amykins · 18/06/2012 21:39

Bobyan - very shocked at what your mil did! Mine is not that bad by comparison. The comments are irritating but at least she does not hide milk choc in her gifts!

hiddenhome · 18/06/2012 21:45

I wonder if peoples' IQs decline with age or were they always this stupid Angry Makes you wonder how they managed to raise their own children tbh.

ishopthereforeiam · 18/06/2012 21:53

Sorry to hear that hidden I can completely see how it can take it's toll. I already feel like I'm being ott / a bit pedantic etc as it just doesntvseem to register but dh will havevyo take over and explain the potential gravity of all of this. It's also fairly new to us so we're learning as we go.

I certainly would be v worried if fil and ,mil are looking after dd unattended (other than if I've already put her to bed) ...

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DontmindifIdo · 18/06/2012 21:57

I think a treat box is a good idea. Stop it being a problem that they have nothing suitable in.

However, you won't be able to relax in hospital, could your parents come to stay to help out rather than your PILs? You need to moniter them, your DD's health is far more important than your MIL's feelings.

hiddenhome · 18/06/2012 22:07

People can be so stupid when it comes to nut allergies. I was talking to a youth worker the other day and she said that in her country of origin (South Africa) you don't hear about nut allergies and the same goes for India. She said she was suspicious that it only seems to occur in the West and I was starting to think that she was actually believing that all these parents are making it up! Angry Like it's some kind of sodding lifestyle choice "Oh, yes, little Tarquin has a nut allergy and can only eat organic tofu and lettuce" type of thing.

People need to know just how dangerous and stressful it is living with something like this. It's knocked years off my life worrying about poor ds and his feckless father and his nasty mother.

Grrr, makes me angry.

(sorry for rant)

babybarrister · 18/06/2012 22:09

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soontobemumofthree · 18/06/2012 22:27

YANBU
i think she sounds in denial/not really understanding situation. DH should really spell it out to them. Your daughter may be having relatively mild reaction now but obviously you really dont want your daughter to get more sensitised to nuts and potentially develop anaphylaxis reactions. She is so young as well.

I think a normal reaction for grandparent/relative would be to go the other way and not just check packaging and other contents of cupboard but to make the house free of all traces of nut.

Perhaps bringing own snacks would help, but think she needs to understand its not just the runny nose/watery eyes and sneezing (although this would be enough to avoid nuts completely!).

cutegorilla · 18/06/2012 22:33

Oh I feel for you. My PIL are wonderful people and I love them a lot but they just can't seem to get their heads around DS's nut allergy. At Xmas they gave him a chocolate santa which he started reacting to immediately. I recognised the coughing sound he makes and we managed to get piriton into him very quickly before he got sick but I hate it every time it happens in case it's the time it gets worse. DH checked the ingredients on the santa and it actually had hazelnut paste listed as an ingredient! I hope they now realise that it does matter. It does make us nervous about leaving him in their care though.

Fortunately his allergy is controlled with piriton and he doesn't need epipens but it's still pretty unpleasant when it happens and can make him be very sick. We now have a strategy (backed by the consultant) of giving him stuff that's nut free, or stuff with warnings but that he's had often before with no problems. He had a nasty reaction to a chocolate bar with a "may contain" warning on it recently so we are now avoiding giving him new stuff with warnings.

The Fabulous Bakin' Boys do not free cakes and flapjacks. They could be a good thing for the grandparents to buy. Also Kinnerton chocolates which are aimed at children.

Goofymum · 18/06/2012 23:56

Your DH will have to have a stern word with his parents, am not surprised you're worried about DD being left with your in laws. My DD is anaphylactic to all nuts and my parents are thankfully even more cautious than me with food. MIL does not understand the issue but respects my requests anyway. That is what your in laws should do.

The hospital my DD attends told us to obviously not give DD anything that has nuts in the ingredients, but if it says "made in factory that handles nuts" or similar warning to ignore it as the risk is very small and will rule your life otherwise.

Good luck. Is tough convincing some people that allergies are reall and not just you/your child being precious or fussy.

HeadfirstForHalos · 19/06/2012 00:09

From what they have said about building up a resistance I would be very concerned that they may "helpfully" try and give her small amounts of nuts behind your back. The only symptoms they seem aware of are the hayfever type ones which are bad enough, but to them the symptoms may be worth the "long term resistance" building up.

They need it spelling out FIRMLY that any contact with nuts could worsen her allergy to the point that even breathing in nut particles could land their beloved grandaughter in hospital or worse. Sad

I think maybe you are being a bit too nice in the way you are telling them. I would bollock them tbh, then maybe apologise afterwards but point out how they would feel themselves if their GD were to become ill because of their actions. Nobody wants that.

Good luck with getting through!

HeadfirstForHalos · 19/06/2012 00:11

Some of the stories on here are shocking, but thinking about it, these people have been stupid but in each case I reckon they thought they were being helpful. Scary.

HeadfirstForHalos · 19/06/2012 00:12

I may be wrong of course, they may do no such thing, but it's not worth the risk to give them the benefit of the doubt.

Doingakatereddy · 19/06/2012 00:24

Sounds like my MIL. I've resorted to selecting a non-allergy treat for DS, buying it, putting it in special tin (which I again bought -sigh) and promising MIL that I will never buy DS this treat, so it can be 'Nannas' special treat.

Lot of work, but it just cuts the crap of MIL's 'a little won't hurt' theory

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Whatmeworry · 19/06/2012 08:30

People can be so stupid when it comes to nut allergies. I was talking to a youth worker the other day and she said that in her country of origin (South Africa) you don't hear about nut allergies and the same goes for India. She said she was suspicious that it only seems to occur in the West and I was starting to think that she was actually believing that all these parents are making it up! angry Like it's some kind of sodding lifestyle choice "Oh, yes, little Tarquin has a nut allergy and can only eat organic tofu and lettuce" type of thing

To be fair to the grandparents, in my youth all these allergies were nearly unheard of.

They also certainly seem to be far more prevalent in the UK and US to anywhere else I have lived (EU, SA), and also seem far more common now even than when my kids were growing up a mere decade ago.

I don't know if its lifestyle, or what is in the food, but I don't think its natural.

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