to think there is NO NEED for 2 inset days after a week off?

[Charliefarlie1192]

Only realised by asking on fb this morning that ds doesnt return to school till wednesday as today and tomorrow are inset days, aibu to think this is beyond ridiculous?!

soupy calm down.

if you read the thread and the posts i was paraphrasing you'll see I was referring to the hours the DCs are there. I grew up with teachers, I know they work longer than the timetable alone.

and that they don't accept a suggestion without seeing an insult

Over lunch! Are you kidding? By the time the kids have got off for lunch and the classroom tidied and maybe got ready for the afternoon and feedback from the morning's shennanigans...staff have about 20 minutes (if they are very,very lucky) to eat lunch and go to the loo!
There are sometimes after school trainings. Does that help?

I'm guessing the school where the teachers did nothing on an INSET because it had been covered was a disaggregated training day which teachers had covered though twilight training earlier in the year. My school does this and yet parents seem to think its outrageous that the teachers aren't in school when they've already had the training in their own time.

I'll get it out of the way now: Teachers ARE not paid for their holidays. The teacher training days actually were taken out of teacher's holidays back when they were introduced. Children still get the same number of days teaching as they always did. !!!!!!!!!!!

Also - teachers may look like they get a lot of holidays. What they actually are getting in some of the time is NON CONTACT time. Most teachers are still working for much of that time. I have worked in education for 16 years and all the teachers I have known work for huge chunks of their holidays - writing reports, planning lessons, creating resources, assessments and marking work, writing reports on learning for head teachers, filling in forms and various paperwork. Every teacher I spoke at school today has been doing work in their "holidays." All had been writing reports, all had produced paperwork ready for pupil progress meetings this week at school, all had done prep for next week's lessons and many had actually been in school doing stuff there too. Even the ones who had been away had had to take work with them due to school deadlines this week.
Two secondary school teacher friends has been marking coursework and exam work, as well as preparing lessons.

And as ever - if you think teachers get a good deal re working time - nothing is stopping anyone from going and training to be one.

Teachers are not the only ones who work when not in actual work, I agree. But what teachers cannot do, which many other works can , is chose what work they do each day whilst "in the office

INSET is often tagged onto holidays as parents usually prefer it to being in the middle of a school week/term.

We have had INSET today. Today is the date that the trainer was available. It was key training. We were learning about the new phonics programme our school is about to embark on. It is essential learning for all teachers and TAs at our school and it will directly benefit every child in the school.

Mishy1234
"Teachers work bloody hard and do a lot at the weekends and during holidays.
However, so do a lot of other professions. DH pretty much never stops working. He has to be available for more serious issues even on holiday."

Does your DH's proffession regulaly get slated in the press and in forums?

I suspect not

Oh - and yes, we had INSET the Friday before the holiday too BUT we did not go into school or do training then. We had infact done the training through a series of twilight sessions int he evenings over 3 or 4 days earlier in the year. But the INSET day still exists as children are only in school for xxx hours a year. Incidentally the INSET we did today was also not in school - we went elsewhere to be trained.

I'm betting teachers don't get paid for Parent's evenings either

dances I am a Nurse, so can draw comparison. There is no way my DH's working day allows time for 'on the job training'.

His school arranges one of his INSET days to be covered over 5 twilight sessions, depending on if the person doing the training can be organised to come in out of school hours. Most of my training in hospital has been done in-house by one of the other specialities. Schools don't run like this.

Yes, school hours for the students is roughly 9 - 3. If you think that these are teacher's hours, then you need to read back over the thread. My DH works 7:30 - 6pm or later. I seem to remember the European Working Time Directive stopping nurses working these hours every day.... He does not work 38 hours a week. More like 60+ hours. Far more than I do as a Nurse or when I was a Midwife working 14hr shifts, more than I did as a Theatre Nurse working on call and standby shifts.

Oh, and that 5 day week you mentioned? Make that 6 or 7...

Some non contact time is included in teacher's contract hours. INSET days are included in these, as are some meetings and I think some parent's evenings. It depends on how many parent's evenings are done though.

School is to educate children not for free childcare. Inset days are working days for teachers. I for one love it when my children are off school.

They do blather

This is an example of a directed time budget that I found on the internet. Most teachers will have one specific to their own schools.

School Days 190 x 6 hours = 1140
Professional Days 5 x 6 hours = 30
Parent consultations 3 x 3 hours = 9
Staff Meetings 40 x 1 hour = 40

1219 hours leaving 46 hours for emergencies

what about doing on the job training as we do in the hospital i work in.
38 weeks of 5 days makes 190 days for the children. from the above posters, that is 9-3ish.
38 hours is strangely enough a pretty standard full time working week. Also known as 5 working days.
an hour a week. we do ours over breakfast on a Friday, before an 8am ward round. but whatever suits for the school. maybe over lunch or a late finish one night a week. more holidays for the teaching staff too!

I'm nursery staff in a school nursery. As well as my 20 hours work, I have to do 20 hours a year extra training in my own time! I also have to work 3 of the in service days, 4 of which do not fall on my normal work days, so that's usually at least 2 extra days I need childcare for when I wouldn't normally need! I'm in at 8am til 4pm. An hour each side of the day to do the admin work and any reports I have to write for children for outside agencies. I get a 30 minute lunch break as we don't get a tea break, so no I'm not wanting to do extra work in my 30 minute break which I am legally entitled to.

1265 is our conditions of service, so unless a teacher works in the private sector or in an academy, 1265 applies to all full-time teachers.

6 hours a day makes me laugh. I don't think I could physically do that- especially as we hang around for 15 minutes after school seeing children off, and I'm meant to be in the playground 5 minutes before the bell goes to chat to parents.

That makes my day, at its very minimum, 8:50 til 3:45 with 55 minutes for lunch. Incidentally, we are not legally entitled to break times.

Like the other teachers here, I am at work at least an extra 3 hours on top. I then take a load of books home to mark, and spend about 4 hours a night catching up.

INSET days are in the teachers' holidays. The children (in Scotland) get 190 days education. The teachers work 195 days.

We don't get long holidays. We get 40 days paid holiday. There are 26 unpaid school closure days.

We do a series of six 2.5 hour twilights to earn two Inset Days we can have as 'home training' days. This year we had them before Christmas so that term didn't go right up until the 23rd. All INSET is published on the calendar given out in September.

I work in a massive school with a sixth-form and teach every year group. That means I do two parents evenings per year group - 14 in total. So that makes 42 hours itself.

Charliefarlie1192 - my job is also difficult and renumeration doesnt tally with the demands of the job - thats life.

My teachers red pen is out in force even though it is an inset day...... Remuneration....... doesn't..........that's.
[backs slowly away from the red pen]

mishey1234 Teachers work bloody hard and do a lot at the weekends and during holidays.However, so do a lot of other professions. DH pretty much never stops working. He has to be available for more serious issues even on holiday.

I'm sure there are lots of other professions that work hard. They probably don't do it for £23k a year though guessing your DH is on substantially more than that

I don't agree that you have to work in the holidays, I do not work in the holidays and my teaching is well planned and marking is reasonably up to date .

I am a well qualified professional who earns her holidays by working hard all term and therefore devote my holidays to my family

I think teachers have a tough job educating these days when discipline is such an issue and I'm not surprised if many leave the profession.

Out of curiosity, to the teachers on here I have a question - are private school teachers generally better paid than those in the state sector? My casual observation of friends who work in private schools is that they seem happier and more satisfied. Of course this is purely a casual observation, just wondered if teachers are looked after better in the private sector?

I suspect your private school teachers might be happier because they don't have to face the likes of a state school Y9 set Z every day. That can be a bit of a drag.

It depends on the school.

The perception is that you get better pay and much nicer t+c in the independent sector.

And if you do your HW properly and with a little bit of luck this is true.

Although they might treat you better (all the free cake you can eat at my school ) they still want hours and hours of your time. In term time I work in theory 5 1/2 days a week. In reality it's more like 6 1/2 plus two/three evenings until 11pm.

Horses for courses, I feel. I would imagine in some independent schools that parents really do expect you to pull all the stops out as they are paying for it - even worse than randoms saying 'I pay taxes, therefore I can spout my ill informed opinion on your pay and conditions'.

As a teacher who has 2 INSET days - today and tomorrow, I thought I'd let you know that I spent from 8.30am - 5.30pm writing 30 end of year reports and tomorrow I will be spending the morning being trained on the new OfSted framework and the afternoon writing my section of the School Improvement Plan. I also spent my week's "holiday" marking assessments and filing the children's work.

at people who get inset time - or any time - to write reports. I don't begrudge you, just wish I had got it too!