AIBU to think that smoking should not be promoted

[helloclitty]

in outside areas of cafes and bars by ash trays being placed on each table.

I am getting a bit tired of the best areas (for hot weather) in bars and cafes being totally taken up by smokers. In some cafes it's like a sea of smoke due to smokers being forced onto these tables.

Aibu to think it would be nice to sit outside and not be surrounded by smoke? It inevitably forces the non smokers inside and perpetuates the problem.

Could cafes have an allocation of tables for non smokers outside to stop this problem?

YANBU. Smokers should be forced into little camps a minimum of 100 miles from any other human being, and obliged to do penitence for their disgusting, antisocial habit by flailing themselves with barbed wire for at least an hour a day.

Seriously, get over it. And I say that as an ex-smoker who doesn't like the smell of smoke.

Tbh I would rather sit next to a smoker than someone with small kids as they can be really annoying!

Well smokers get a bad deal all year round really. They're fine to smoke outside in the bad weather but as soon as the non smokers want to come out then the smokers can just bugger off. Seeing as its legal to smoke outside then I'm not going to stop any time soon. And I'd like a nice seat too. My money's as good as anyone else's. Considering the amount of pollution from cars I doubt a teeny tiny bit of smoke around you occasionally is going to cause much harm. Or you could just go to a no smoking cafe and leave the smokers to it. YABVU

Smoking outside! How very DARE they blow smoke around in that fresh air, they really should be indoors...oh wait...

Glad you realise YABU OP

That isn't really promoting it, I don't smoke and i don't suddenly get the urge because i see an ashtray on the table

Custardo- you have given me a proper belly laugh today!

Change the law, when the sun shines, we'll go and smoke indoors.

Yes, sitting outside next to 2 whiney children is a PITA. They should be forced inside.

I never smoked in my life until I saw an ashtray on a cafe table.

Now I chain smoke capstan full strengths.

Bastards.

Maybe I didn't make my OP clear

I do not think ashtrays push someone into smoking I think they promote the area to be a smoking only area. Please give me some credit.

uh oh - you've upset the smokers - wait till they're pacified by their post lunch fag

pop some used chewing gum in the ashtray and an old receipt - was always an annoyance when I used to indulge

But nowhere is a "smoking only" area; that would make smoking compulsory! I'm glad you realise YABU, helloclitty.

And around and around and around we go again...

I'm a smoker and would not hesitate to go around into a fecking lane to have one, so that non-smoking outdoor diners wouldn't have to smell it. But you still would wouldn't you, and that'll be the next thread.

You know what? I hate smelling it when I walk past pubs and restaurants as well, I do.

But smoking still legal = smoke everywhere until smoking is illegal, ok?

For years I have heard friends moaning about being unable to go into pubs because of the smoke.

Two village pubs a week close down because of lack of trade - where are all the non-smokers that 'would go into them if it wasn't for the smoke'?

My friend complained for years about this and when the smoking ban came in she refused to go because of the smokers outside and she 'can't sit in the garden'.

YOP, in the city near where I live you'll find wineglasses on almost every outside table which serves alcohol. Besides, placing an ashtray on a table isn't promoting smoking, it's accommodating for it. No-one sees an ashtray and thinks "Oh! I'll take up smoking today!"

Two village pubs a week close down because of lack of trade - where are all the non-smokers that 'would go into them if it wasn't for the smoke'?

Pubs are not closing down because of the smoking issue. They are closing down because there is a housing shortage and landlords are hiking rents to levels that are unsustainable. The breweries and food distributors are also hiking costs due to fuel and food costs on a global level. I know cases where pub profits have increased only to find the landlords hike the rent even further. The landlords can do this because they have developers begging for properties to develop and it's more profitable for the landlords to sell.

Pubs are not closing because of the smoking ban.

Graham
please read my post at 11.55.34

It's the fact it puts non smokers off sitting there.

Why do you want to sit outside, yuck! It's all bright and sticky and full of bugs. Not fun when eating! But if your outside the smoke doesn't hang about anyway, there's nothing trapping it and where do you want the smokers to go? They don't smoke indoors anymore, go there.

Because if I moved it onto the floor I would have had ash and fag butts blowing everywhere.I didn't go inside to complain because I didn't want to leave 2 DC's alone outside, 1 is very young.

So it's infested with smokers and the staff don't bother to clear the tables? What is it about this place that holds such an irresistible attraction?

So pub landlords/landladies are closing perfectly healthy businesses down then? A converted pub would by it's sheer size put the property at the top end of the market. The end that is not selling?

FFS, it's rainy and miserable for about 350 days out of the year, on the few lovely sunny days we have, suck it up and sit inside if the smoke really bothers you.

(am a non-smoker)

Firstly the pub would not necessarily be at the top end of the property market by it's size as you state because many are converted to flats.

Secondly, if rents are too high then, no, the business is not healthy is it

easilybored
You are right. I will suck it up.

rubyred

This is from the Guardian from Feb this year.

"But there is another story: the imbalanced relationship between big pub companies (or pubcos) and their tenants, and the government's failure to do much about it.

The issue seems simple enough: as countless publicans see it, these firms charge tenants above-market prices for drinks and repeatedly squeeze them even further by upping rents. To make things worse, the government is clinging to that tired and useless notion known as self-regulation, having so far only agreed to set up an independent panel to review how it works, rather than doing what a lot of people want and coming down on the pubcos much harder. MPs' postbags and inboxes are full of correspondence about all this, and it was the subject of a Commons debate back in January."

But there is another story: the imbalanced relationship between big pub companies (or pubcos) and their tenants, and the government's failure to do much about it.

Helloclitty

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