If Orthodox Catholics believe that Adam and Eve had two sons, Cane and Abel,....

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And they believe in Creation, how do they explain the human race?

I've always been too embarrassed to ask anyone else.

Mumsnetters..... please explain.

Adam's rib......? Seems a poor excuse, frankly.

Bagofholly - neither you nor your husband have ever heard of Orthodox Catholicism........? Never?

I dont think the OP is catholic bashing - I read it that the op is asking questions about what people believe and why?

People 'bash' things they dont agree with, or understand, or know much about on MN all the time. If it upsets you to the point where you suggest they 'stick it up their arse' perhaps mumsnet isnt the place for you right now (I find it frequently resembles a bear pit!)

SpringHeeledJack the churches I went to always had the New International Version and at school we used the Common English Bible.

Sorry, I made a mistake in that last post. At school we used the Common Bible, not the Common English Bible.

Hello SpringHeeledJack - the Jerusalem Bible was the one in my day (left my Catholic school in 1978). And I think you are right about some differences in books in NT in JB compared with KJB/Revised Standard Version/whatever, but can't recall them offhand. I daresay a proper RC will know...

spose I should really ask one of my Catholic friends, fliffy

but they're all vair old, and vair lapsed

I think there are a few books that the Protestants wish to 'not recognise' in the Bible, and they do appear iirc in the OT - but I don't think they have a bearing on the OP's question.

"Orthodox Catholics" - nope, I've never heard of that tag either. It's probably mistakenly used for the 'Orthodox Church' which has a meaning in Eastern Europe, Greece and the states formerly in the USSR.

UnMember, I think the versions you mention are Protestant versions. Apologies if I'm wrong.

PS, I've never heard anyone described as/describing themselves as 'Orthodox Catholic' as a title, but maybe the OP just meant 'mainstream Catholics'?

The Common Bible included the Apocrapha, which are separate books. The other books are the same as far as I'm aware (allowing for variations in language used).

Jack - like me, you mean?

Kingbeat, but not wiping up the pools of water afterwards? Normal? Or do their toilets somehow function differently? Think I am obsessed by toilets and bathing rituals having visited a friend's imported Japanese bathroom. Very happy I was to be the guest and not no. 3 child in the family

So bathing in knickers is commonplace amongst Muslim families or just if they have guests from outside the family with them? Or not commonplace really?

Pan nah, I didn't think they (the Apocrypha?) had anything to do with the OP's q

I was just meandering off topic in nosy fashion

I think the versions you mention are Protestant versions. Apologies if I'm wrong.

No idea. They're just what we used.

fliffy yes, xactlee

Have just googled it SHJ - yes 7 books, but it sounds like a bit of a bun fight over the centuries for scriptual geeks and the like. ....

Agree with Bagofholly, there are various Orthodox churches - none of which are Catholic.

As for the Genesis questions - there are three listed children. Abel is killed (some traditions say for his wife) by Cain who is punished and exiled. Then there is Seth. Where the other people come from depends on what tradition you follow, there are several. Since all but Noah, Naamah (Noah's wife), their three sons and their wives are killed in the flood, the answer to where the human race comes from according to Genesis would be Noah and Naamah's family (hence why Gentiles who follow the tenets of Judaism are called Noahides - children of Noah).

SpringHeeledJack - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Books_of_the_Bible If you scroll down to a table, it shows the different versions. Most of the differences are actually in rearrangement of the Torah and additional books added between.

lunamoon - actually, the evil Eve is a 'modern' Christian commentary on it, it was originally Adam who is seen most at fault.

pan and Derby- are you somewhat pointedly suggesting that I don't come here to idly pick others' brains for stuff I know little about, and go and look it up properly myself?

cor, bloody hell! have scanned your link quickly, Derby

will have a proper look in daylight. Brain can't cope with all that on a Thursday eve

[wish had paid bit more attn in RE emoticon]

No, I just think the table is interesting and I can't post it on here (though they made the Torah one in Hebrew which while more accurate makes it harder to see how the books have been changed around). I'm just too geeky about it

bagofholly do please ignore the first sentance of my post Its late I got confused

Orthodoxy is separate from Catholicism I stand corrected.

Threads about catholicism do usually end up as catholic bashing but I didnt read from the op that, that was her intention.

Lilith (who someone mentioned up thread) is (according to wiki) 8th-10th century Jewish folklore, Adams first wife - not mentioned in the bible.

I know quite a lot of creationist Christians and really struggle having conversations with them tbh.

here's a quicker, easier one that's more gentle on the eye, SHJ

OP, do you mean the eastern orthodox church ? It's officially known as the Orthodox Catholic Church and is a distinct religion from common or garden Roman catholic church.

The eastern church, like the Roman church, does indeed believe in evolution. God is seen as the creator of all life - the kick starter as such of all living things - and the world as we know it evolved from there.

God began the whole process and guided and shaped evolution. The Orthodox and RC church accepts evolution as a scientific theory, but disagrees that the theory of evolution disproves that God is the creator of All. So not quiet Darwinism.

ach, bollocks

my pc keeps freezing on pdf links

shall look tomorrow

gosh I do love mn, though, have to say. I have this thread going on one tab, and another about whether Judy Finnegan is a heavy drinker on another

The Greek and Russian orthodox churches are separate from the Catholic church. The Greek orthodox are much closer than say the CofE though, AIUI.

Catholics accept the theory of evolution in the same way as any scientifically literate person would. The evidence appears sound therefore it's valid. We don't 'believe' in it since its not a faith issue - it's a scientific theory supported by a shitload of evidence. It's nice that the first few verses of genesis roughly match the path scientists think was followed in the origins of the universe and then life on this planet (big bang=let there be light etc) but since the OT is a mixture of allegory, social history, poetry, rules etc it's never been regarded as divine revelation

gosh, you can multitab on MN! I shouldn't have been made aware of this fact...