to think that IDS should go out and see how bloody hard it is!

[Dawndonna]

www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/may/14/disability-benefits-slashed-half-million?fb=native&CMP=FBCNETTXT9038

I believe that cuts have to be made universally, and that some disabilities do not stop you from working. Yet I can't bring myself to agree with IDS. He makes it sound like disabled people have caused the current economic situation.

Will they truly check if a person is capable of working, or do they just replace one check list with another one? ie. no arms = no benefits, as they can still do telesales with headphones etc.

makes me lol that there are people who don't get that if they keep taking money of disabled people. not only will it cost more, as they will end up in residential care, but people will die.

now I will be flamed for this, but don't care.
DC claimed DLA for his son(imo quite rightly as it was for his son) but now he doesn't need it . he doesn't seem to give a flying fuck, how he can look the parents of his sons classmates/friends in the face is beyond me. you would expect more from a government with him at the helm.

2shoes i totally agree with what you say about dc.....i honestly thought he would of been a compassionate pm...but he is just like the rest of them...an arse

Tbh I always thought DC was going to be like this, ie a disaster for the Disabled. Because he thinks he knows. He thinks he knows what it's like. But he doesn't, he hasn't got the faintest because not only is he very well-off, but during the whole of his experience with the system, he was a very prominent politician and likely someday to be prime minister. So his experience of the NHS, Social Care, Special Education is of a system that appears to be working just fine and probably has some fat in it. The amount of robbing Peter to pay Paul that would have to have gone on behind the scenes to give his family that easy ride just doesn't occur to him. He genuinely believes it's all working OK and can handle a few cuts.

IDS is different. IDS has no such delusions about "understanding". He knows he doesn't understand, and he doesn't give a toss.

You mean DC and his disabled son who died 2shoes?

2shoes I think it works like this (nope am not paranoid, got full Psych clearance me ;) )

DC's Ivan woulds till get HR DLA

The people who will lose out often- not exclusively but often- have autism, MH difficulties, things that can be gentic or caused by over indulgence in certain things. *

Thus, anyone can have a very disabled child with an accident on birth injury but many MR childcren are the products of bad genes which must be weeded out. Families like mine, in fact. Except we were not poor, disability MADE us poor. It came after, with me not working.

I know it's bollcoks and all sorts of things receive a MR DLA award but with all the talk about autism etc I genuinely think that's how he thinks (I also know asd can bring a HR Award, ds1 gets one, but often it does not)

So basically I think it's a low level eugenics thing.

And of course IDS gets it; it is driven by ideology. If you don't beleive that I have a lovely letter from Maria Miller saying that there is quite enough notice to sort out the boys before changes come in, I am presuming she thinks that autism is bad parenting or not being able to work is laziness or something.

Cottage industries are the way to go, that way the bastards can;t take your income (self employed) or touch you.

Sorry MamaBrussels was my sarcasm not heavy enough
This govt don't care about human rights.

this was an intersting blog piece

Pekka it is a checklist. A bizarre one at that; you won't need personal care if you can wash your armpits and above (but not if you need washing below), a wheelchair will count as fully mobile if you can self propel in the house, sod it if you cannot outside the home.

DS1 is likely to lose support as needing 24/7 supervision for aggression will cease to be a criteria. God help whoever gets to manage him on workfare.

And when ds1 loses it I will be placed on workfare- meaning that DH will have to pack in work (self employed, customers will go elsewhere after a few weeks) to care for ds1 and ds3 (also ds4 but we don't want to apply for DLA for him)

One more growing business will be down the pan then.

And YY to that stats

Also wrt to human rights, a lot of the welfare changes have been accused of contravening avrious rules- eg the overwhleming hit on females etc. The Government has neglected to even respond to requests for evidence on some of therse and on toehrs- well why do you really think they want rid of the Human Rights Bill?

A council in Worcestershire is proposing making it compulsory for anyone costing over a set amount to either make up an amount or go into care; if this succeeds it is widely recognised it will set a national precedent. This would include for example my friend who has severe CP, needs 24/7 care but manages to run a business that employ 11 people as well as study for his degree.

No, Glitterknickaz, I don't think my sarcasm was . IDS is so out of touch it's frightening. Remember this is the Conservative Party as tempered by the Liberal Democrats - what the hell would this policy be if IDS was allowed to run roughshod?

looktoshinford Thu 24-May-12 12:25:55
You mean DC and his disabled son who died 2shoes?

yes.
I would have thought he would have had more empathy

LMAO @ Chris G who clearly means financially dependent people with a disability

I am disabled I guess; I am in the process of being diagnosed with an ASD, it just needs signing off by a certain specilaist who has a 2 year wait: already seen psychs or both types.

I have worked all my life up until I became a carer; do not claim a penny over Carer's Allowance (so no DLA or ESA) and do not intend to; use no services except a HS Volunteer once a week for the past few weeks until August.

I want to return to work when I can find some that fits with the boys. There is a charity that ahs says it wants to employ me as soon as something comes up.

Like Hell am I a waste of a human life! I needed a DX to explain to me and perhaps an employer why I am how I am; why I have always been a target for (NT) bullies, and why I use odd but effective systems such as charts to mange often demanding workloads.

He really means my kids of course who use SEN school places and claim DLA but again he can sod off, they are happy children, one of whom should manage to work, whose existence brings joy to many people.

MammaB- there is much speculation that boris will be the next Tory PM and that he is far more right wing on these matters.

God help us; we will certainly consider taking DH's business to another country if that happens, probably losing a few UK jobs in the process.

'Glitter & Josephine - institutionalizing disabled people isn't going to happen. The government won't pay for it.'

Ah you see this is where policy is starting to pull together; it was announced in the last week that some hospitals will start using workfare carers, therefore presumably making it far cheaper to institutionalise disabled people.

Oh and the DLA form- keep a sheet of paper alongside and for every negative you write put a positive on the other sheet; send the form off to DLA but stick the positives to your frridge for the bad days.

Watch filling it out for the bad days though, I know someone who got in a lot of trouble for advising someone to do that.

Peachy I thought he'd committed to staying for a full mayoral term which carries on into the next Parliament (by which point I think the Conservatives might be back in opposition )

Yes - he has another 4 years as Mayor which takes us to a year after the GE. He might not be as stupid as he looks as I very much doubt the Con-dems will win another election.

Oh I pray they are back in opposition!

I don't know anything about his Mayoral stuff (thank goodness we are in a semi-devolved area) but I do know he is the Big Fave for next PM; he ahs said about wanting to return to Westminster politics after this stretch so I think perhaps they realise they will be booted out on next election (by which time they will have broken down so many systems a complete welfare reboot will be unaffordable), and be their 'comeback guy'. Yuck.

The document from the Consultation process is interestinga s it mentions the press attack on the vulnerable, a key tactic IMO to control labour after they have left- it is here Doc

And the thing is, enough people believe them. They just do. A significant percentage of people in the UK are quite capable but refuse to think- the biggest disability of all.

I agree he is the favourite - however he promised on his campaign that he would see out the full term.

Which I expect he will do, given that politics atm is in such a state and it would make sense to try adn replace DC when the dust has settled.