to be shocked appalled and disgusted that Jeremy Bamber has a twitter account.

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I knew they were allowed the internet in prison but im obviously naive because i didnt realise until Bamber lost his lateast appeal, that they are allowed to actually have accounts on social networking sites when they showed a screenshot of his twitter account on the news.
There are unemployed people who are having to get rid of their internet access to save money and yet this lowlife gets an account?!!!!!!!!
He murdered his parents, sister and her six year old boys in Tolleshunt Darcy Essex in 1985. I was 12 at the time and remember seeing it on the news.
This seems wrong wrong WRONG to me on so many levels.

Oh are we allowed to say things like this?

If so then I'm with you on the Jenkins case. But I don't know enough about the others. Not that I know an awful lot about this one but fuck me, it's hard not to think he did it.

The only thing I find really hard to understand is this

"Had the appellant's sister murdered the other members of her family with the moderator attached to the gun and then discovered she could not reach the trigger to kill herself, the moderator would have been found next to her body. There would have been no reason for her to have removed it and returned it to the gun cupboard before going back upstairs to commit suicide in her parents' room."

If the moderator was on the gun the whole time (and then removed by Bamber) why was only his sister's blood found in it when the evidence shows that some of the other shots fired were at close range.

However, I think the evidence shows she can't have murdered her family and then shot herself so it must have been Bamber or someone else.

"...so it must have been Bamber or someone else."

But in the appeal it seems both Bamber's and the prosecution legal teams agreed it's an either/or scenario: either Bamber did it or the sister, there are no other possibilities.

Yes, exactly, Eldritch - Bamber claimed that his dad had phoned him saying his sister was on a murderous rampage. So it had to be either him or his sister.

Flightty - I think there are libel issues with saying you think someone's guilty if they haven't been found guilty in law. Am expecting a Mumsnet moderator along at any moment!

There was a woman who killed her kids and jumped
Out a window not too long ago ....

I still think there is too many strange things to say he is 100% guilty. I just don't
Know

No porca i dont live in Tunbridge Wells. I live in Essex.
My late grandparents lived in Maldon and i live in another town.
You may not be appalled by child killers and people who commit familicide seemingly having more rights than what some people on the outside can even afford but i am.
Incidentally i seem to recall that Raoul Moat managed to post on his facebook wall while still in prison.

As long as he stays in prison, that's the main thing.

Don't think Sion Jenkins was guilty the finger is now being pointed at that M25 Rapist bloke.

Oh thanks Hackmum, sorry everyone...

Isn't it weird when it doesn't matter what someone is saying...you just cannot bring yourself to believe them? Even if they are saying they're guilty, you just get that sense that it's bollocks.

I'm probably not explaining myself very well. And I know nothing...obviously. And I'm probably usually wrong.

rules on prisoners using the internet

My god they have more communication with the outside world than my OH who is on a Submarine!!

What about the testimony of his ex girlfriend, saying he spoke about ways of killing off his parents for the inheritance? What does he say about that, does anyone know?

She was due to go to court herself, after giving the evidence the charges against her (not related to murder) were dropped.

I don't know if he is guilty or not - I didn't follow the trial at the time (?too young) but I do think new evidence needs to be looked at, as another poster said there is both prosecution and defence evidence.

"She was due to go to court herself, after giving the evidence the charges against her (not related to murder) were dropped."

was she? What were the charges?

Ah found it point 332 on.

"Ground 5 ? evidence relevant to the credibility of Julie Mugford 331. Ground 5 raises issues relating to Julie Mugford. When she had given a statement to the police in September 1985, she had made admissions of dishonest conduct in which she had been involved. She referred to a burglary offence committed jointly with the appellant and to a cheque book fraud committed jointly with Susan Battersby. She was not prosecuted for either offence nor was Susan Battersby prosecuted for the cheque book fraud which she too had admitted to the police. The first limb of ground 5 is a complaint that the prosecution failed to disclose the fact that both Julie Mugford and Susan Battersby were given immunity"

not sure about the drug smuggling though. What a life that 21 year old must have lived!

I find it hard to believe that a jilted girlfriend would lie about her boyfrined killing 5 people. Much more likely that she knew what he had talked about planning but was afraid to say anything at first?

fact of the matter is that Bamber said it was his sister who killed 4 people and then herself, the evidence doesn't seem to support that.

I do think new evidence needs to be looked at

Thing is, the Court of Appeal did look at the new evidence in a lot of detail, as Dueling's link shows. So there has been a very thorough review, quite recently. Bamber's attempt to have another review has just failed, because the Commission that determines these things decided that the latest 'new' evidence Bamber's team has presented would not be enough (even assuming that the court found it all to be valid) to overturn his conviction.

Bamber is on a whole life tariff, so has (literally) little else to do but pursue appeals, but he's actually had a lot of court time to argue his case but I'm not sure there are a lot of unanswered questions or loose ends in this case.

Yes, that's the thing. We can conjecture all we like but none of us knows half of what the Court of Appeal would have heard and if they were assured of his guilt then that's good enough for me.

Accusing his sister of murdering her parents and children is just unspeakable. Some people will always think she did it

reading more into it I am now starting to wonder if he might be innocent! It's all so confusing. particularly the calls made, the suggestion from the call logs that his father DID call the police and the fact that 2 different cars were dispatched at two different times following the two different call logs (one call from the father and one call from Jeremy Bamber) plus the fact that the evidence of the silencer thing was only presented weeks later after family searched for evidence themselves but they had a vested interest in Jeremy Bamber being guilty and on and on.

In my mind it is entirely possible that Sheila killed all of them, then herself.

I am sure that opinion may change again the more I read.
I don't think it's as easy as saying 'all evidence points to Jeremy Bamber being the killer'

DuelingFanjo

That's where I am, the story seems so inprobably, the thing with riding a bike without lights over a field in the dark. Why?

And was his case before PACE? In the days when once you 'had your man' then you gathered evidence to prove it.

He is as guilty as sin and a complete sociopath. He has put lie detector results up but only the one he passed and none of the many he has failed.

He told his girlfriend he was going to do it
He spent lots of time afterwards sorting out his inheritance
He behaved very oddly in front of police at the time hence their suspicion.

The calls to the police consist of him ringing the police and the police ringing it through to a nearer place. If you look at the call logs they confirm this.
None of the calls came from Neville Bamber because the phone in the kitchen was off the hook and he could not have made them.

JB is a nasty nasty man - knew him years ago and he has always been an arrogant piece of work. This on it's own does not make him guilty but the evidence does point to him rather than Sheila who was known to dislike guns and who could never have wrestled Neville in the way it was alleged.

Nope - JB is right where he belongs - trouble is he has lied so much he now belkieves his own rhetoric.

was his case before PACE?
Must have been: PACE came in in 1984 at the very earliest and he was sentenced in 1986, so the investigation was probably carried out under the previous rules.

"He told his girlfriend he was going to do it
He spent lots of time afterwards sorting out his inheritance
He behaved very oddly in front of police at the time hence their suspicion."

the thing is with all these three things, none are absolute.

1. His girlfriend said he had told her he was going to do it, he also apparently told her he paid someone else to do it - that other person was proven to have a cast iron alibi.
2. When someone dies you sort out their wills and so on, it's kind of normal behaviour
3. The police weren't suspicious of him at all - they initially believed that his sister had done it. It was his fa,ily who cast suspicion on him

Also - The phone was off the hook at points but to make a call anyone could have tapped the receiver bit. There's no way of knowing if anyone did that, if the phone was knocked of the hook after calls were made and so on.

Re the not being able to wrestle him - he was shot something like 8 times, some of those may have left him vunerable and had she been in a psychotic state she could have been acting wildly and summoned up strength to overpower him anyway.

I have no idea if he is innocent or guilty but I would suggest that there's plenty of stuff regarding the case which throws doubt on his conviction, including the phone logs which are not as simple as you make them sound.

Ever heard of a MoJ?