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to be shocked appalled and disgusted that Jeremy Bamber has a twitter account.

73 replies

carernotasaint · 30/04/2012 17:48

I knew they were allowed the internet in prison but im obviously naive because i didnt realise until Bamber lost his lateast appeal, that they are allowed to actually have accounts on social networking sites when they showed a screenshot of his twitter account on the news.
There are unemployed people who are having to get rid of their internet access to save money and yet this lowlife gets an account?!!!!!!!!
He murdered his parents, sister and her six year old boys in Tolleshunt Darcy Essex in 1985. I was 12 at the time and remember seeing it on the news.
This seems wrong wrong WRONG to me on so many levels.

OP posts:
squeakytoy · 01/05/2012 00:17

Mobile phones are rife in prisons.

outyougo · 01/05/2012 00:25

Prisoners aren't allowed to use social networking sites, nor are they allowed to instruct a third party to update social networking sites on there behalf. They do have access to the internet but are forbidden from using the internet for communication.

OldLadyKnowsNothing · 01/05/2012 02:26

Please read the link I provided; he can use social networks through a third party. And htf do you use the internet for anything other than communication? Confused

sashh · 01/05/2012 03:13

Kitty

The gun could have been used by Sheila without the silencer, which was found several days later in a cupboard downstairs - so if it was Bamber why didn't he get rid of it?

Bamber was with the police outside the house for 5 hours, but when the police went in Sheila was still bleeding - 5 hour old corpses don't bleed.

Police at the scene said they heard and saw movement in the house - Bamber was outside at the time.

The police disturbed the scene, in the official photos taken by the police the gun is moved to the window sil.

The police then thouht it would be a good idea to use the scene for training, so about 20 pc trailled through the house before the bodies were removed, with the gun epositioned on Sheila.

The presecution said the bullets where whole in Sheila, the X Rays show one shattered.

Oh and the person who found it is now living in the house and has inherited the estate

Nancy66 · 01/05/2012 08:17

I have no doubt of his guilt.

he has lost every appeal and attempt to overturn the verdict.

his only family believe he is guility.

porcamiseria · 01/05/2012 08:19

yanbu

BUT

yabu for saying "shocked appaled and disgusted" in OP

makes you sound like a Tunbrdge Wells resident

SarahStratton · 01/05/2012 08:22

I remember it too, Lee. I lived near by and he was in my outer circle of friends. I have absolutely no doubt about his guilt either.

ThatGhastlyWoman · 01/05/2012 08:31

What about the testimony of his ex girlfriend, saying he spoke about ways of killing off his parents for the inheritance? What does he say about that, does anyone know?

hackmum · 01/05/2012 09:07

Kayano: "Because no woman has ever done that before? it's only men right?"

Well, it's highly unusual. In fact, I can't think of any other case where a woman has murdered both her children and her parents and then turned the gun on herself. Perhaps you know better.

Before he was murdered, Jeremy Bamber's father confided to a neighbour that he was worried that his son was going to attack him. (This wasn't given in evidence at the trial but came out later.)

Jeremy Bamber also claimed that his father phoned him to say that his sister was going berserk with a gun. But if your daughter had gone on a murderous rampage in your house, what would you do? Phone your son? Nope. You'd phone the police. That's what anyone would do.

The thing is, Occam's razor applies here. Which is more likely? Either Jeremy Bamber killed his entire family so he could inherit the money and tried to put the blame on his sister, or his previously blameless sister decided to kill her own family and then herself for no reason at all apart from being schizophrenic?

BettySwollocksandaCrustyRack · 01/05/2012 09:17

I have no doubt of his guilt either - I remember this case very clearly and followed it with interest. I think they proved that his sister couldnt have done it as the gun was too long for her to kill herself with.

Who the hell would follow him on twitter?? I cant imagine he is on there but if he is then it beggars belief anyone would give him the time of day!

hackmum · 01/05/2012 09:51

Just to correct myself - earlier I referred to Brian Cathcart, and I should have said Bob Woffinden. Here's the article (if you can forgive me the DM link) where he explains why he changed his mind: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1387438/I-wrong-Jeremy-Bamber-says-crime-writer.html

DuelingFanjo · 01/05/2012 09:59

the problem is, guilty or not, there may be enough evidence to prove that the conviction is unsafe due to the police contaminating the scene.

DuelingFanjo · 01/05/2012 10:05

he has certainly put a lot of into his campaign.

squeakytoy · 01/05/2012 10:14

Following someone one twitter does not mean you have to like them, or even agree with what their views and opinions are. The case is a high profile one, with many people still interested in it.

Nancy66 · 01/05/2012 10:25

I imagine he has convinced himself he IS innocent - in an OJ Simpson sort of way.

If you have nothing to do but stare at 4 walls and plot campaigns and appeals it can't be too difficult to start to believe it all

EldritchCleavage · 01/05/2012 10:31

I have followed his case for some time. I did not think that there was any real reason to doubt his guilt and I am slightly surprised at the building campaign for him.
He has not managed to persuade the Criminal Appeals Commission, or whatever they are called, to reopen his case despite several tries and that is more telling to me than blogs and tweets proclaiming his innocence. There probably are unanswered questions (as with any case), but what I don't know is how significant they are as against the evidence that was put forward at trial.
Didn't he try to argue he was unfit to plead, and lose? Can't remember now.

Nancy66 · 01/05/2012 10:34

...I also think Sion Jenkins and Barry George are guilty!!

EldritchCleavage · 01/05/2012 10:41

Ah, now Barry George I think was one of the dodgiest convictions of recent times. That one I found really disquieting. I can't say whetehr he actually did it or not, but the conviction was dreadfully weak, I think. Hence the successful appeal.

DuelingFanjo · 01/05/2012 11:29

I am part way throug reading this previous appeal. Interesting and presents the evidence clearly.

EldritchCleavage · 01/05/2012 12:08

Conclusions from the judgment DF posted:

510. As Mr Temple [for prosecution] observed in his closing address to us, one of the striking features of this case was the difference between Mr Turner's [for defence] opening address and the speech that he felt able to make once the evidence had been examined. In the former, suggestions of a widespread conspiracy to present a false case and to deprive the defence of material that would assist them in answering the case were made. By the close of the case, many of those allegations had been abandoned because they were patently obviously unjustified once the evidence was scrutinised.

511. This case has been scrutinised since conviction with as much care as probably any comparable case. In our judgment nothing has emerged to cause us to believe that there was any improper conduct by the investigating officers that threatened the integrity of the trial process, such as is alleged in this ground.

Conclusion 512. Having considered and rejected each of the grounds advanced on behalf of the appellant, it follows that this appeal must be dismissed. Each member of the court has reached the conclusion that there is nothing in any of the matters raised before us that throws doubt upon the safety of these convictions.

513. It should be understood that it is not the function of this court to decide whether or not the jury was right in reaching its verdicts. That is a task that is wholly impossible in virtually every case because this court does not have the advantage of hearing and seeing the witnesses give evidence, and deciding which of the witnesses are trying to tell the truth and which of those who are trying to do so are accurate in their recollection. Our system trusts the judgment of a group of 12 ordinary people to make such assessments and it is not for the Court of Appeal to try to interfere with their assessment unless the verdicts are manifestly wrong, or something has gone wrong in the process leading up to or at trial so as to deprive the jury of a fair opportunity to make their assessment of the case, or unless fresh evidence has emerged that the jury never had an opportunity to consider. We have found no evidence of anything that occurred which might unfairly have affected the fairness of the trial. We do not believe that the fresh evidence that has been placed before us would have had any significant impact upon the jury's conclusions if it had been available at trial. Finally the jury's verdicts were, in our judgment, ones that they were plainly entitled to reach on the evidence. We should perhaps add in fairness to the jury that the deeper we have delved into the available evidence the more likely it has seemed to us that the jury were right, but our views do not matter in this regard, it is the views of the jury that are paramount.

Seabright · 01/05/2012 12:14

Sion Jenkins - don't know enough to feel certain either way

Barry George - No, I don't think he was. The evidence was not sufficiently vigousley (sp) tested and was weak. The fact that he was a "strange" character counted against him and I don't think he was mentally capable of acting in his own best interest.

SarahStratton · 01/05/2012 12:43

We should perhaps add in fairness to the jury that the deeper we have delved into the available evidence the more likely it has seemed to us that the jury were right

Very telling addition.

BettySwollocksandaCrustyRack · 01/05/2012 12:50

I dont think barry George is guilty, I just think it was such a high profile case they were desperate to get a conviction.

Look at Colin Stagg......how guilty did he look! I really thought he was guilty but luckily he managed to get justice in the end!

EldritchCleavage · 01/05/2012 12:52

Isn't it, SS? It is an unusual case, not least because if there were ever a retrial there would, it seems, be fresh prosecution evidence as well as fresh defence evidence.

Nancy66 · 01/05/2012 12:59

I (for professional reasons) looked into the Barry George case and was staggered at how convinced of his guilt key people involved in the case were.

So convinced are the police that he is dangerous and likely to kill again that he is under 24 hour surveillance - at huge cost to the tax payer