To think that today's news offers a glimmer of hope

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here that Madeleine could still be alive. I have always thought the worse but this being bought up again now seems to be quite out of the blue and i can't help but hope.

I know its bad form, but i just wanted to share the glimmer

timetoask..as from yesterdays events when the thread got pulled, there is not alot you can say on here for fear of libel..sorry if i seem cryptic but just trying to give ppl the opportunity of more info, if they are willing to dig for it...
yes some of it is alot of tosh but there are also viable concerns...

i would love nothing more than to see this little girl found, i would also like to see justice too

clytae i know hun x

ime the only place where discussion of the mccanns is is effectively prohibited is mn. Look on twitter, facebook etc and discussion is rife, and although there are two camps of thought, there is certainly not overwhelming sympathy.

My personal view is that one of the reasons why this topic is still so contentious is because people were essentially not allowed to discuss the reasons behind it. It was as if the outcome somehow wiped out the circumstances that led to it iyswim. Fact is that if Madeleine had been found, the parents would have been roundly judged for their actions, but because she wasn't it somehow makes what they did ok. Now, I don't think that five years on judging what led to Madeleine's disappearance helps anyone. But at the time I think that a "what in the name of God were they thinking," response was a perfectly normal reaction, and yet people were criticised for having that thought process.

If that factor had been allowed to be explored more at the time, I don't believe we would still be in a position five years on where peoples' first thought was the actions of the parents rather than the events that followed.

It is perfectly possible to judge someone's actions while at the same time sympathising with the outcome of those actions.

It´s also that the whole group did it- I´d just never heard of such a thing tbh.

i agree wannabe and was shocked when the thread was pulled yesterday as ok it had the "what were they thinking" etc etc etc but it wasnt nasty..yet realise mnhq understandably have to pull it as maybe through fear of litigation etc...

Exactly Diddl the whole group did it, and im sorry but i found their behaviour shocking-leaving toddlers & babies alone so they could drink.
Imo very wrong indeed & no one has ever been prosecuted out of those 7 for leaving their kids alone-what makes it worse is that if one of those 7 babysat none of this would have happened but im guessing there is more the what happened.
Justice will be done, and the truth will one day be found out and im glad the british police are looking into this further as what happened to Madeleine needs to be known-only good can come from this no matter what we believe.

diddl there are plenty of cases where groups of ppl have committed horrendous acts and covered up etc.. charles manson is one of them..not saying this implies to this group of ppl....

diddl

I think that at least one of the holidaying couples had said in their police statement that they had taken a baby moniter with them.

Not sure what you´re getting at there doormat

I can´t imagine being with a group of friends & leaving my children because they were.

I´d rather have eaten in the apartment the whole time!

I´d forgotten that cats

it was advised as "in the bounds of responsible parenting" under the childrens act 1933 that there was no prosecution...
why on earth the childrens act 1989 wasnt used, especially under the "significant harm" harm aspect wasnt used ..i will never know...

diddl, sorry i misread your words as to the shole group "did it", which was completely wrong of me and i do apologise...sorry hun x

doormat - You dont know that that was the reason for the decision not to prosecute.

The thing is when you become a parent you have to put your children first and if that means having to stay indoors for dinner then so be it and lets be honest it was a fair distance away-the babymonitor would not have worked properly.
The main thing is that this investigation leads to Madeleine being found whether dead or alive.
I wonder whether the twins will one day remember what happened as they were two at the time so may have a vague memory of what happened.
I remember quite a few things from being 2 years old so if they were awake when she went missing they could help the case some day

IMO we just dont know enough about the case to know the significance of the various factors. I hope that the Scotland Yard review will at least lead to some sort of conclusion about what is most likely, even if they dont manage to find her.

cats no i dont know but why use an outdated childrens act with a quote "in the bounds of responsible parenting" and not a new childrens act (1989) (2004) does not make any sense

But who said that? I dont think that the phrase 'responsible parenting' was used by the CPS or any official UK body, so we dont know anyone thought that, or whether if they did if it had any bearing. In any event I'm not sure if any UK law is the most relevent here.

gm said that as his excuse for leaving the children...as i said go and dig and ye shall find

But if that is what he said, that doesnt have to have anything to do with a decision to prosecute or not does it?

no but those words had a bearing on them to not be prosecuted..i do not know the whys and whatevas, all i know is that a phrase from the childrens act 1933 was used as defensible for their actions that evening...and it looks like it worked

it is on sky news now that portuguese police say there is no reason to reopen the case :-( how awful.