To not give a fuck about schools?

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AIBU to be totally hacked off with this subject every bloody year.

I don't care that Saffron didn't get into your first choice school even though the local school is varie good she just isn't "suited" to that "environment" all the council estate kids .

It's such thinly veiled snobbery and competitive parenting at its very worst. Kids should go to the local school end of and if there is a grammar system state educated kids should be permitted to take the entrance exam (not privately educated kids who are trained to pass an exam) and this should be means tested.

I live in one of the most competitive school areas of the country with a massive social divide (Poole in Dorset). Because of this I ended up with all 3 kids at 3 different schools for 3 yrs .

How can people bang on about the state providing a perfectly good education then spend an extra £50,000 on a house in the "right" area. It's hypocritical snobby bollocks.

Kids will learn if they want to. I do not believe any of them have faired any better or worse due to my non choice of school. They are fulfilling who they are.

They have a loving home and are well balanced grounded kids and they know if I believe they have been "wronged" I am behind them 100%, if they have done "wrong" I am behind the school. I a, supportive of and interested in their education.

We all need to bloody calm down about this seriously

Donnie - think you need to get over yourself tbh - what do you get out of picking me up on my spelling or my language?

You sound like a frustrated teacher working in a shit school.

donnie

Picking on someones spelling means you have lost the argument

Still Psml at k999

Where are our role models then?

Where are we shown anything different?

no, it just means I am having a chuckle! no argument here - I couldn't give a toss!

'tis funny though, the OP getting so riled up and foaming at the mouth....!

I love a bit of MN defensive parenting.

Makes me think in a more rounded way!

So what you are sating Grahamstribe is you don't want your kids to give anything to anyone - you want them to go the the "good" school in the "naice" area and take as much as they can from the state education and fun crew the less advantaged kids who deserve as much as your kids and my kids.

They didn't ask to be born into what they have been born into yet they abe a hell of a lot more to cope with before they even get to school (maybe feed themselves and their younger siblings walk them and then themselves to school?) - yet they are expected to achieve the same.

It's this "let's get the fuck out of here I'm alright jack" attitude which fucjes me off.

When did we stop giving a shit about other people and just care about Boden and Cath fucking twee Kidson?!

YABVU op. and are talking out of your arse

My oldest Son went to the local School, and it gradually got worse and worse, to the point that it was given an 'unsatisfactory' grade by OFSTED. His class never kept a Teacher for more than a term, and the last year he was there, they lost 8 teachers) DS was in yr 6 by this time, so finished his last year there. He was getting really low marks, and the School said he wouldn't get good results for his SATS..........they were right, dispite us doing what we could at home, he had zero motivation because of his School, and left with really bad results.

One year into secondary school, he was put in the top group for all his core subjects. He is now getting A's. How the fuck can you say 'kids will learn if they want to' my Ds didn't stand a chance. They knocked every drop of confidence out of him. All the Teachers were too busy arguing between themselves, under a crap Head.................All the children suffered.

My youngest DS went to a School in the next village, and has thrived. The differences having experienced a BAD school are extremely apparent.

If My dd doesn't get a place in the same school, and they expect her to go to the local school (gives me shivers) She will not be going there. I would home ed before they get anywhere near her.

You obviously have no experience of a failing school op. It is truly a living nightmare. I will regret leaving DS there for the rest of my life.

Making sure your dc's go to a School that is GOING TO ENCOURAGE THEM TO FULFILL WHO THEY ARE is very important, and if you can see that, I feel sorry for your naivety.

Sorry about typos bloody predictive text .....

Erm - did you not read my op?! Yes I have had to send my DC's to a "failing" school

I do care about my children's school and they are going to the one down the road. I care enough to be upset at prospective parents around me who get the smelling salts out and try and move house when they realise it is their 'local'.

Pure snobbery imho.

And you were happy about that???????????? Did you notice differences betwwen the 3 schools? I can't believe you wouldn't want a school that isn't failing for your child?

whoops, meant would want

sunflowers, same here!!!!

kids will only learn if given a chance. In some schools, teachers are just controlling the crowds, so even the most laborious students don't stand a chance. It only takes one disruptive kid to kill a lesson.

So, yes, in a utopic world, every child would go to their local school because all schools would be equally excellent. Unfortunately this is not the reality and I am not going to take any chances with my son's education. You only get one go at this.

Please don't apologise for the typos. I rather like the idea of fun crewing the less advantaged kids.

You're working on two assumptions with me. One is that I want the best possible academic, moral and social education for my DC. You're right. The other is that my children have never been the less advantaged children you speak of.

You couldn't be more wrong. I just did all I could to change that because I had a choice. And no, those choice's didn't come easily to me, they weren't handed to me on a plate, I had to work bloody hard to achieve them.

Children can't learn if they are not being taught because teachers are forced to spend all their time on badly behaved kids or if the majority of the class are educationally several years behind due to neglect/abuse and lessons are geared toward their abilities.

The culture of the school is very important as well. I wouldn't want my child going to a school where the predominant culture of the majority of children is one where people don't work, don't read, live in their pjyamas all day and just lay around smoking and drinking. We are all products of the culture we are raised in, culture is a mindset, it shapes our values, attitudes, how we view ourselves and others and how we interact with the world.

It's not snobbery to want a decent education for your children.

My child isn't failing the school is going through a bad patch.

Yes I noticed a massive difference. The "best" school (in Lilliput) was shit. My son was "average" meaning he wasn't grammar school fodder and he didn't have SN (therefore generated no extra funding for them). He has since moved on to a "failing" secondary where he is in the highly academic stream, amongst others who passed the grammar exam but didn't get a place.

My DD was behind at primary and middle but is now also above average and my youngest who went to "failing" primary and middle is going to Grammar.

lol @ bobbledunks post.... :D If a child has the ability within them they wil do well, whatever the surroundings..seriously love you are not that important you warrant an 'outstanding' school !

Where I live, it's pretty much the local school or nothing because the catchments are 300 or 400 meters. I moved to my area for the schools, is there something wrong with that? We had to move anyway - should we have sought out bad schools to foster equality?

Bobble dunk

Dd1 went to a school just like the one you described. Didnt do her any harm. If anything, she has a deep understanding of the world around her and has learnt not to judge a book by its cover.

"It's such thinly veiled snobbery and competitive parenting at its very worst. Kids should go to the local school end of"

I sent dd to the nearest comprehensive.

She left her local primary (also nearest school) having never been told off for anything, in tops sets for everything, a happy, lovely child.

A year and a half on she's in year 8, and I've just taken her out of her local comp to home school her. This year she's clocked up 25 detentions in 25 weeks. Was caught smoking. Has got into fights with boys. Has argued with teachers. She has been exposed to pornography, been sexually intimidated by boys in her year, been bullied, and two weeks ago came home with a girl from her class who turned 13 in February and is 5 months pregnant.

This school has an outstanding OFSTED and good teachers, but socially it's completely BRUTAL because it's full of seriously disadvantaged kids who have tough lives.

For the sake of socially equality I should keep my middle-class daughter at a school where she's having to distort her whole personality and value system to survive and fit in? No. Which is why I've taken her out.

So which local school should I choose OP

School A - catholic and very overt about it (we are not catholic so not going to attend a catholic church for years to get in)

school B - C of E and very overt about it (we are not C of E and anyway its only one form intake and 16 children got in as siblings last year)

school C - in special measures, appalling reputation, losing staff at the rate of knots (3rd HT in as many years anyone?) Have called police after seeing 5 and 6 year olds who should be in lessons playing dare with the traffic on main road outside. This not a council estate issue by the way don't want to set your teeth on edge or anything

School D - Massively over subscribed and we're out of catchment so unlikely to get in anyway

So please OP choose me a local school? (Thankfully we were very luckily and could privately educate or I would have been on my knees making a hypocrite of myself in one church or another)

Your experience is clearly different to mine op.

I want my children to go to a School that is right for them, and meets their needs. What is snobby about that? Surely it's just being a caring parent, isn't it?

What are their needs? They are greater than other kids needs who have no other option?

Some kids are more important than others then yes?