to think that no matter how angry they make us feel, even people like abu qatada should receive a proper trial?

[defuse]

Ok, let me elaborate.....today we were talking about abu qatada and some strong feelings stirred up that he should be deported because 'they come to this country and break our laws, if we do that in their country we would be deported, so why can't we do the same. they preach hate and terrorise us, why should the tax payer pay for his time in jail.

My stance was that no matter how awful people are, we have to make sure that we follow our judicial system and get justice that way - if then he is deported, then so be it. We DO consider human rights unlike many countries around the world.

I also got the whole 'they would not consider our human rights in those countries'. My stance was we must always stand above other countries and keep our integrity and have faith in our judicial system. If a judgement is made to deport him, then i am all for it.

I was then called a 'do-gooder'

my question is, AIBU to want to consider the rights of even those who frankly speaking can be very difficult to palate based on their crimes.

ok...now looking back it should read that even people like AIBU to think that even people like abu qatada should have some rights

YANBU, our justice system when compared with the rest of the world is pretty fantastic. Should be open to all.

They should get a fair trial, but what annoys me is the fact that when our courts have made a decision the european ones then try to override it (annoys me across the board not just on this!)

sirzy i understand what you are saying. Apparently there will be a convention where this issue that you have mentioned will be brought up. My stance on that is that it is being done the right way (through proper channels) and therefore i would feel more comfortable if EU consider our reservations and take them into account rather than us hating the EU for protecting a criminal's human rights IYSWIM

Well, the opposite of a fair trial does not bear thinking about. It would turn England (or at the moment Norway for that matter) in to the kind of country I would not want to live in.

YANBU it is the mark of a civilized society.

Completely agree, but something needs to be done about the length of time it takes for a case to be heard, that's my only critism of The Human Rights Act 1998. I quite like the fact that you can appeal outside of Britain.

No I think he should be deported tonight and we as a sovereign country should be able to it.

yabu he should be deported, we should not allow evil people to stay here if we can get rid.
I can't think of one good reason to keep him here

i cant get worried about him
when you think of the treatment people get in some places...

we send people to other countries all the time to stand trial
he should have no more rights to them

I think YANBU, the same should have been applied to Osama Bin Laden, instead he was chucked off the side of a boat .

It is a very emotive subject and I can understand why people have that view even if I disagree with them.

Yeah because Osama was such a nice bloke who deserved all his human rights respected, a nice cell, coloured tv and 3 meals a day.? Oh hang On That Lockerby
bastard had that and can u belive it he still hasn't died of his Incurable cancer.?

He has had several fair trials.

Now he can face another fair trial.

In Jordan.

WRT to todays fuss over whether the home office got their dates wrong, I wonder what aspect of justice applies to the principle whereby the passing of 24 hrs means he can be deported either with or without the right to appeal.

Often justice gets lost within the mire of the legal system.

The rule of law should be paramount, and we have every right to expect our government to understand and obey that. Qatada appears to be a deeply unpleasant man but what British law is he actually guilty of (apart from being Muslim)?

Why should tax payers keep someone in jail, then once time is served gets deported any way.

I don't think human rights work on the nasty/nice premise, either you are a human who has innate rights, or you are not.

YANBU.A fair judicial system is a huge part of what we are defending from terrorists.

How do people know he's evil? Without a fair trial and a proper judiciary we are relying on people who I wouldn't trust with my dry cleaning; the British press; the Conservative Party; t'interweb etc. The whole point of the Courts is that without them, we cannot be sure without a reasonable doubt, that he is guilty.

Oh, and I agree with Duckypoohs they aren't human rights if all humans don't have them.

YANBU Apart from anything else, if we don't follow the rule of law where he's concerned then we put ourselves in the wrong. Treating him differently would give more ammunition to extremists who say the UK is their enemy because we are anti Muslim. It would harden opinion against us and give more justification, in the eyes of terrorists, to see us as a legitimate target. It would put us in more danger, ultimately.

Maybe try putting it that way if people won't accept that abiding by the correct legal process is the morally right thing to do. If you appeal to their own self interest (ie how this issue may or may not affect their chances of being blown up by a bomb), they may be more inclined to agree with you.

YANBU. Every person is entitled to a fair trial no matter what the circumstances are.

What Pendeen said. If this were about a trial resulting in a possible prison sentence, then every effort should be made to ensure it's as fair as possible. But this is about someone being deported. People are denied entry to the UK all the time for many reasons. Why should he be tolerated? What does he contribute to life in Britain?

Am I missing something? Qatada was the man who encouraged the 9/11 events ... That makes him evil and someone who should be put on the first plane out of here. Frankly I don't care what happens to him.