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to tell (adult) cyclists to GET OFF THE PAVEMENT!

253 replies

CelticPromise · 19/04/2012 13:21

On my run last night a man cycled up behind me and passed pretty close. I didn't hear him cos listening to music. I didn't plan to say anything but 'get off the pavement!' just came out of my mouth. He shouted back something about there being no space on the road.

He then waited outside (i presume) his house and asked if I had a problem, to which I said I did with adults cycling on the pavement. He seemed to think that he was perfectly justified in cycling on the pavement because 'there is no space'. This went into a minor slanging match and I just told him to grow up and ran off.

Now I am not proud of shouting and if I could do it over i'd apologise for that and quietly point out that what he was doing is illegal and dangerous. But AIBU to say something? Has is become acceptable to cycle on pavements? Am I in the wrong?

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CremeEggThief · 19/04/2012 14:53

5foot5, I have to say you must be a more conciliatory person than I am, because no way in hell would I ever step off the pavement for a cyclist. I would rather get run over!

OP, YABU to feel guilty about shouting at the cyclist :). What a wanker! I hate it when people who are clearly in the wrong make things worse by arguing back like that!

As far as I am concerned, the only cyclists I don't mind on pavements are children riding slowly and carefully up to lower secondary age, although I understand why some people would think they should be trained to ride safely on the road from the start.

BeadingMarvelous · 19/04/2012 14:58

YANBU

Last weekend a cyclist came up behind me and my DH while on the pavement. I am 28 weeks pregnant and have hips and back pain so a bit slower than usual, my DH had to pull me out of the way as i hadn't noticed the cyclist. I shouted after him 'i forgot pavements were for cyclists' then got a right telling off from DH for embarassing him!!

I wasn't sure if it was illegal but agree that if adults and teens are not confident enough to cycle on the roads where they are meant to be then they should walk like the pedestrians! It's a real bugbare of mine.

Kayano · 19/04/2012 14:58

I fucking hate cyclists on the pavement. One nearly hit my pram and baby jumping
From the road to the path to avoid lights.

You will get loads of cyclists here saying 'it doesn't happen, boo goo nasty cars' (not the point of this thread) and 'they get fined it they do that' really? I've yet to see a cyclist stopped and fined ever and it's so common round here.

Or 'I'm a responsible cyclist and people don't to that' to which I am inclined to reply with a big ol' BULLSHIT!

GruffVoiceDownTheChimney · 19/04/2012 14:59

In our city, a lot of the pavements are also cycle paths, however, this is poorly sign posted. I get a lot of funny looks for cycling on the path even when I have a right to do so.

(I'm sure there was an article on the radio recently about the increase in accidents/injuries due to runners/cyclist wearing headphones btw)

Pan · 19/04/2012 15:02

Hi Kayano - you must really hate me!!

There's enough room, if everyone behaves respectfully. Roads often are life-threatening, so pavement riding is an option. ( "but it's illegal!" So's speeding, and operating moby phones and hitting and killing bikists but those things are very popular past times.

complexnumber · 19/04/2012 15:03

Who the fuck died and made you robocop, complex? I'd have just ridden at you you little bully. (sometimes it's better to be a 19st wrestler)

As long as my DDs are walking on the pavement, and I have any means of stopping cyclists using the same. I'll be in the way.

Why do you think that is being unreasonable?

Kayano · 19/04/2012 15:04

This thread isn't about cars though. It's about cyclists. Breaking the law. What could I have done if that cyclist had hit my pram? They should have damn number plates and if they are on a pavement (not a cycle path) get off the bike and push it

Paiviaso · 19/04/2012 15:05

Just to throw a spanner into the works, this is from www.bikehub.co.uk/featured-articles/cycling-and-the-law/

So while I know the Highway Code states you must not cycle on the pavement, the politicians seem to confuse the issue:

The primary legislation which makes cycling on a footway an offence is section 72 of the 1835 Highways Act, this provides that a person shall be guilty of an offence if he ?shall wilfully ride upon any footpath or causeway by the side of any road made or set apart for the use or accommodation of foot-passengers or shall wilfully lead or drive any carriage of any description upon any such footpath or causeway.?

Section 85 of the Local Government Act 1888 extended the definition of ?carriage? to include ?bicycles, tricycles, velocipedes and other similar machines.?

The object of Section 72 Highways Act 1835 was intended not to protect all footpaths, but only footpaths or causeways by the side of a road, and that this is still the case has been ruled in the high court. The legislation makes no exceptions for small wheeled or children?s cycles, so even a child riding on a footway is breaking the law. However, if they are under the age of criminal responsibility they cannot, of course, face prosecution. See below.

On 1st August 1999, new legislation came into force to allow a fixed penalty notice to be served on anyone who is guilty of cycling on a footway. However the Home Office issued guidance on how the new legislation should be applied, indicating that they should only be used where a cyclist is riding in a manner that may endanger others. *The then Home Office Minister Paul Boateng issued a letter stating that:

?The introduction of the fixed penalty is not aimed at responsible cyclists who sometimes feel obliged to use the pavement out of fear of traffic and who show consideration to other pavement users when doing so. Chief police officers, who are responsible for enforcement, acknowledge that many cyclists, particularly children and young people, are afraid to cycle on the road, sensitivity and careful use of police discretion is required.?*

Almost identical advice has since been issued by the Home Office with regards the use of fixed penalty notices by ?Community Support Officers? and wardens.

?CSOs and accredited persons will be accountable in the same way as police officers. They will be under the direction and control of the chief officer, supervised on a daily basis by the local community beat officer and will be subject to the same police complaints system. The Government have included provision in the Anti Social Behaviour Bill to enable CSOs and accredited persons to stop those cycling irresponsibly on the pavement in order to issue a fixed penalty notice.

I should stress that the issue is about inconsiderate cycling on the pavements. The new provisions are not aimed at responsible cyclists who sometimes feel obliged to use the pavement out of fear of the traffic, and who show consideration to other road users when doing so. Chief officers recognise that the fixed penalty needs to be used with a considerable degree of discretion and it cannot be issued to anyone under the age of 16. (Letter to Mr H. Peel from John Crozier of The Home Office, reference T5080/4, 23 February 2004)

Paiviaso · 19/04/2012 15:06

Ah it seems I've been beaten to it :P

squoosh · 19/04/2012 15:06

Pan actually no there isn't enough room for adults to cycle on the footpath. If everyone behave respectfully? It is disrespectful to point out to a cyclist they have no right to be there? Get off your bike and stop trying to have the best of both worlds.

Grrrrr.

CelticPromise · 19/04/2012 15:08

CremeEggThief thanks for making me laugh and feel better.

I have cycled on some pretty hairy roads in my time and I really think if you are confident, hold your space and obey road rules you do yourself a favour. I know drivers can be inconsiderate but all that cycling on pavements achieves is making those knobber drivers think that all cyclists should be off the road.

BTW, it is a narrow pavement next to a road and is definitely not shared use. It is however a recommended route for cyclists as it is not dreadfully busy. I think what the guy was getting at was that there isn't enough space for a car to overtake a cyclist if there is traffic coming the other way. He's right, there isn't, so the cars have to wait.

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ivykaty44 · 19/04/2012 15:09

is not aimed at responsible cyclists who sometimes feel obliged to use the pavement out of fear of traffic and who show consideration to other pavement users when doing so.

That is the most important part

cyclists need to be responsible as everyone hates us - pedestrains and motorists alike.

NiniLegsInTheAir · 19/04/2012 15:10

As an aside - the reason I refuse to go into Cambridge is because of cyclists. So many of them (cycling irresponsibly) has frightened me half to death. Anyone who's been there and walked round the city centre as a pedestrian must know what I'm talking about.

I was also mugged by a guy cycling a few years ago so I have an extra chip on my shoulder...

FredFredGeorge · 19/04/2012 15:10

The article is deliberately misrepresentating the law, the law is clear that cycling on the pavement is illegal - that's well tested in court, that the framers of the law adding the power to have violations of the law be served with fixed penalties felt it important to stress the fact that they didn't want it used against everyone is irrelevant. The law is very clear, the guidance is purely on the use of fixed penalties as enforcement.

NiniLegsInTheAir · 19/04/2012 15:12

...not that I'm blaming my mugging on cyclists in any way, let me make that clear. Smile. But it has given me a lower tolerance threshold for a cyclist coming up behind me quickly.

goingeversoslowlymad · 19/04/2012 15:17

YANBU it makes me so angry. We run the gauntlet every morning walking to school. We live about 2 miles outside a big city. The pavement we walk along has a cycle lane further up but it stops about 100m before we join it. There BIG is a sign indicating that they should re-join the road but no, most of them stay on the pavement but do not slow down or act with any kind of caution whatsoever.

There have been several complaints made by the school to the police as there have been a few children hurt but as yet nothing done.

5Foot5 · 19/04/2012 15:21

CremeEggTheif "5foot5, I have to say you must be a more conciliatory person than I am, because no way in hell would I ever step off the pavement for a cyclist. I would rather get run over! "

I am not normally such a pushover!. I suppose it was because she was wider than me and when she approached seemed to be hesitating as if she didn't know what she should be doing. I stepped out of her way by instinct really and only afterwards thought "Hang on! Who actually had the right to the pavement there?"

IDontWannaBeAStupidGirl · 19/04/2012 15:21

The trouble is that the poor cyclists are not welcome - or safe - anywhere.

They are very vulnerable on all but the quietest and widest roads, and some twats seem to delight in making their life harder.

They are not safe for pedestrians on pavements.

I will not be riding my bike on the roads again until there are cycle lanes on all routes, separated from vehicles by a barrier, or at least a kerb. Those stupid white lines painted on the road, that are completely ignored by drivers, and peter out at the least obstacle are a complete waste of money.

5Foot5 · 19/04/2012 15:28

"It is also illegal (by bylaws) to cycle on a lot of towpaths but no one pays any attention to that"

That's true! We see alot of that where I live because there are some nice towpath routes and some of these link up with a disused railway line that has been turned into a right of way for walkers/cyclists/riders. It is annoying when you keep having to step aside on a narrow towpath to let a cyclist past.

Mind you - this did once lead to one of the funniest things I have ever seen. Years ago when DD was still a baby DH and I had gone for a walk along the towpath with DD in the baby carrier on DHs back. We heard a bicycle bell and sure enough along came four cyclists - two men and two women. We stepped to one side but DH didn't want to get all the way over since that might have pushed baby DD in to the hedge. Anyway, three cyclists went past OK but the last lady went in to one of those slow motion wobbles which ended inevitably with a huge splash as she and the bike tippled slowly in to the canal!

It's not particularly deep so she was able to stand up and climb out OK but oh my I still chuckle when I remember.

greenbananas · 19/04/2012 15:49

An adult cyclist nearly hit my 3 year old DS yesterday. He could easily have killed him as must have been doing about 25mph on the pavement down a hill. The cyclist swerved, screeched to a halt, nearly fell off his bike, and then was abusive to me, saying I should have been holding DS's hand! (he had seen me as I am tall, but had completely failed to spot little DS walking by the hedge, well away from the road).

valiumredhead · 19/04/2012 15:51

I'd rather them on the pavements tbh than on the roads...

CremeEggThief · 19/04/2012 16:06

greenbananas, you poor, poor thing. How is your poor DS now? I wish there was some way you could report that horrible cyclist. That is exactly the sort of behaviour that gives cyclists a bad name, even though I suppose most of them are considerate and responsible towards others.

5foot5, I honestly didn't mean to suggest you are a pushover, so sorry if it came across like that. Your story made me :).

MuddlingMackem · 19/04/2012 16:08

YANBU at all.

Drives me nuts the number of bikes on a path not too far from us - which runs alongside a bus and cycle only section of road!! Think the 'mum and dad not letting you on the road yet' is a very appropriate insult along that path. Grin

Oh, and just to say that the comments about some runners having earphones in, in my opinion that's a red herring. I never have earphones but I've yet to actually hear a bike coming up behind me, first I know of its presence is as it whooshes past. Angry

complexnumber · 19/04/2012 16:09

Who the fuck died and made you robocop, complex? I'd have just ridden at you you little bully. (sometimes it's better to be a 19st wrestler)

Yeah, maybe I an a 'little bully' (small snigger) but I would stand in the way of any cyclist on the pavement whilst my DDs are also using the same.

Wouldn't any parent do the same?

(I'll admit that my size should have been irrelevant, but it wasn't at the time)