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to feel seething resentment towards those who profited from the house price bubble and hot anger at the Governments who allowed it to happen?

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TartyMcFarty · 13/04/2012 21:15

You'll have to forgive my naivety here - I'm ranting about something I don't really understand.

DH and I are stuck. In 2006 we bought a (modest) property on a 100% mortgage. Foolish in hindsight, I know, but based on the advice of our IFA, the unshakeable faith of our families and society that property ownership was the way to go, and the increasing pressure at the time to get on the ladder or miss out, that was the decision we made. We then found that the lender, bastard bastard Northern Rock were unwilling to remortgage based on our lack of equity, despite us having overpaid by several thousand pounds. We couldn't shift the place, and with the agreement of a different IFA, remortgaged against the equity in my DM's property (love her!). It gets more complicated than that, but that's all that's needed here. Now we still can't sell it , our tax credits have suddenly disappeared, my pension contribution has increased (DH doesn't even have a pension) and the tracker rate is slowly increasing. We're on interest only, and as I'm part time since the having DD, with another DC on the way, there's not much of a cushion.

What's really angered me over the last couple of days is the dawning realisation of how people just a few years older than us have profited from the massive increase in property 'values'. I'm still in touch with our ex-neighbour. She bought seven years earlier than us, sold at £120k profit after 10 years (this is not London!), her partner was in a similar situation so they have ended up comfortably in a property of twice the size, renovated to a really lovely standard. Obviously my resentment isn't directed at them personally - they're good people, have profited from a stupid market and good luck to them - but it's just an illustration.

How can we possibly hope to survive in a property market that boomed by more than 3.5x in this instance alone? We can't even afford to maintain our own home to a good standard. Pay isn't moving at all, and we're currently looking at less than .75 of a pension between us. I can't even bear to think about how we'll support our DCs through HE, and the risk to my DM's home if interest rates shoot up.

I just need a rant. Those of us stupid enough to be sucked in at high LTV rates towards the peak of the market are fucked all ways, whereas people just 5 years older than us are untouchable. I know I've only given one example for which I know the exact figures, but there are others I can think of in the same lucky situation. There just doesn't seem to be any point in trying when you compare our situation with those who profited so enormously in the 00s.

Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry

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guffaw · 13/04/2012 22:10

worra... I soooo envy your £300 per month mortgage Envy in a well done you way of course Smile

WorraLiberty · 13/04/2012 22:11

This is going to sound really ignorant but I was thinking about this the other day and I genuinely don't know the answer.

If an OAP doesn't own their own home, who pays their rent if they're on a state pension?

Is it paid by Housing Benefit? And if so, for how long?

TartyMcFarty · 13/04/2012 22:11

Worra, I'd love to have been a SAHM. It's sad isn't it - the economy is dictating how people manage their family lives.

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WorraLiberty · 13/04/2012 22:12

guffaw it really was just luck...it's cos I managed to buy when I was 25.

I feel awful for anyone (my eldest son included) who tries to get on the property ladder now....so I can totally understand what the OP is saying Sad

TartyMcFarty · 13/04/2012 22:13

Yes, my DG has her rent paid indefinitely. She is actually better off than she's ever been in her working life now, on a basic state pension, housing association bungalow (completely renovated), winter fuel allowance, bus pass etc.

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DPrince · 13/04/2012 22:14

You will really resent me. I am 29 and my first house in 2002 (aged 19) with dh (27). 1 year later it was worth 50% more than we paid. 6 months later we sold it and bought a bigger house with a good deposit.
I am not going to feel guilty. We were getting married and knew house prices would only get higher, so bought in a cheap area. We moved to a bigger house as I was pg and we wanted to be closer to family. The people you resent are mainly just people living their lives. Its not their fault. I won't feel bad because I made a decision that turned out right. It must be rubbish in your situation but its not the fault of people who made the decision to buy before house prices rocketed. We saved for a year and managed to put down 10%. It was hard work, spent nothing that was essential and I won't be ashamed of that.

mellowcat · 13/04/2012 22:15

I think it is horribly unfair, but every generation blames the one before for something...is that in a song or something?

I feel most sorry for the kids leaving school now...paying for Uni - through a lifetime of debt, then working for free to get experience, then saving for an impossible to reach mortgage, buying somewhere crummy, not being able to afford children and if they do, having to work asap to pay rotten mortgage, and then having to work till they are 90ish.

WorraLiberty · 13/04/2012 22:15

Ahh thanks for that Tarty

So there's going to have to be a hell of a lot more HA properties built to cope with future demand if so few people can own their homes nowadays.

Unless things change dramatically.

porcamiseria · 13/04/2012 22:15

why be angry aboout it????? gazilllions of us bought at the wrong time

save, be happy you have a roof over your head

keep head down, it will eventually go up in value again, as will family earnings

EdlessAllenPoe · 13/04/2012 22:15

there wouldn't be such pressure on prices were planning relaxed to allow more houses to get built. but it seems like any attempt to do that don't work..

local government always blocks development regardless of political shade, jsut as much as national government would wish to push it...

mathanxiety · 13/04/2012 22:16

When it comes to things like 100% mortgages, interest only products, etc -- best to remember there is no such thing as a free lunch and that depending on luck is really foolish when such a lot of money is involved. Sometimes if it looks too good to be true it really is too good to be true.

Not flaming you, and there absolutely should have been much more regulation, and oversight of what consumers were being told and offered, but consumers need to make decisions with clear heads.

Heswall · 13/04/2012 22:17

The government also pays pensioners mortgages if they have been in interest only for years, ok they won't touch the capital but the state pays the mortgage and then when the enviable happens the property is inherited by their relatives. I think that's disgusting personally.

TheNightIsDarkAndFullOfTerrors · 13/04/2012 22:17

Oh I had lovely new windows and PVC doors put on my council place once.

DD, DH and I were in a 1-bed flat for four years and my child sustained an injury due to the crowding which threatened her life and put her in hospital 40 miles away for a fortnight.

Where we live now, the owned houses look much nicer. We have the space we need but the fittings were fitted twenty five years ago with the cheapest shit not intended to last more than ten years. DH and I are slowly improving things and it is all money down the drain as we have neither freedom nor security.

EdlessAllenPoe · 13/04/2012 22:20

"the economy is dictating how people manage their family lives."

has it not ever?

the things you complain about are pretty standard..long running problems.

30 years ago you may well not have got a mortgage at all. my parents couldn't.

the 'golden age' of easy home ownership never really happened. it has always been hard to get, and hard to hold on to.

TartyMcFarty · 13/04/2012 22:21

DPrince, I'm not asking you to feel guilty or bad. I want you to appreciate how lucky you've been and how difficult it is for those of us left in the wake.

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WorraLiberty · 13/04/2012 22:22

Heswall really? Wow!

But how can the family inherit if the capital hasn't been paid off?

mathanxiety · 13/04/2012 22:23

My parents felt the gods, every single one of them, were smiling on them when they managed to get a mortgage in 1966; it was apparently a feat akin to scaling K2. Dad never relaxed until it was paid off.

TartyMcFarty · 13/04/2012 22:23

porca, we've precious little to save, once you factor in the potential for 0.5% interest rate increases (we've just had one), frozen income and vanishing CTCs.

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FrankWippery · 13/04/2012 22:23

Worra - I am exactly the same as you, though lucky enough to have paid my mortgage off now. I was in the right place at the right time when I first bought. All three places I have owned have at least doubled in value between my buying and selling them (or remain in). I bought in relatively cheap areas, Notting Hill - when it was shit, then two in Wandsworth (one Town, then Common). Each time the areas were cheap, showed no sign of 'exciting development' and then suddenly became 'places to be'.

I do count my blessings, I really do and, like you do Worra, fear dreadfully for my children and their hopes of getting on the property ladder. I have three mid/late teens and a toddler - fuck knows what it will be like by the time my youngest is in her early twenties.

Heswall · 13/04/2012 22:25

Assume old lady paid £50,000 for the house back in 1990 and then only pays the interest on the mortgage or more to the point the government pays that interest, the house then sells for £200,000 in 2012 despite the fact that the old lady has basically rented the house from the bank at the tax payers expense the relatives pocket the £150,000 difference. Nice work if you can get it.

TartyMcFarty · 13/04/2012 22:25

30 years ago you may well not have got a mortgage at all. my parents couldn't.

Mine could, aged 25. My mum was a PT secretary, my dad was a factory worker. They bought a semi-detached cottage with a large garden on a country lane. That wouldn't happen now.

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dramaqueen · 13/04/2012 22:25

But the economy always dictates how people live their lives. It's very naive to think otherwise.

WorraLiberty · 13/04/2012 22:26

Frank it certainly leaves a bitter sweet taste doesn't it? Sad

Mine are 20yrs, 13yrs and 9yrs so I'm hoping it won't affect the youngest two as much.

Don't know why, just hoping for better times ahead!

WorraLiberty · 13/04/2012 22:27

Ahh that makes sense now Haswell

You're right, it's a bloody scam Sad

WorraLiberty · 13/04/2012 22:27

Oh I've just turned your NN around...sorry Blush

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