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to feel seething resentment towards those who profited from the house price bubble and hot anger at the Governments who allowed it to happen?

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TartyMcFarty · 13/04/2012 21:15

You'll have to forgive my naivety here - I'm ranting about something I don't really understand.

DH and I are stuck. In 2006 we bought a (modest) property on a 100% mortgage. Foolish in hindsight, I know, but based on the advice of our IFA, the unshakeable faith of our families and society that property ownership was the way to go, and the increasing pressure at the time to get on the ladder or miss out, that was the decision we made. We then found that the lender, bastard bastard Northern Rock were unwilling to remortgage based on our lack of equity, despite us having overpaid by several thousand pounds. We couldn't shift the place, and with the agreement of a different IFA, remortgaged against the equity in my DM's property (love her!). It gets more complicated than that, but that's all that's needed here. Now we still can't sell it , our tax credits have suddenly disappeared, my pension contribution has increased (DH doesn't even have a pension) and the tracker rate is slowly increasing. We're on interest only, and as I'm part time since the having DD, with another DC on the way, there's not much of a cushion.

What's really angered me over the last couple of days is the dawning realisation of how people just a few years older than us have profited from the massive increase in property 'values'. I'm still in touch with our ex-neighbour. She bought seven years earlier than us, sold at £120k profit after 10 years (this is not London!), her partner was in a similar situation so they have ended up comfortably in a property of twice the size, renovated to a really lovely standard. Obviously my resentment isn't directed at them personally - they're good people, have profited from a stupid market and good luck to them - but it's just an illustration.

How can we possibly hope to survive in a property market that boomed by more than 3.5x in this instance alone? We can't even afford to maintain our own home to a good standard. Pay isn't moving at all, and we're currently looking at less than .75 of a pension between us. I can't even bear to think about how we'll support our DCs through HE, and the risk to my DM's home if interest rates shoot up.

I just need a rant. Those of us stupid enough to be sucked in at high LTV rates towards the peak of the market are fucked all ways, whereas people just 5 years older than us are untouchable. I know I've only given one example for which I know the exact figures, but there are others I can think of in the same lucky situation. There just doesn't seem to be any point in trying when you compare our situation with those who profited so enormously in the 00s.

Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry

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ElenorRigby · 18/04/2012 15:11

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redshield · 18/04/2012 15:26

There is no chance of a pain free exit from what is about to happen.

Everything that is about to happen has been planned, the debt was created to be used against the people once the resest comes.

The BBC gave a warning out last year on what is about to happen, listen to what the trader says and also look at how he is allowed to talk freely and say exactly whatever he wants to say, no interupptions, nothing.

The video is on youtube and is called goldman sachs rules the world.

Land, assets, power, the money was just a means to an end.

fluffiphlox · 18/04/2012 15:27

are you OK redshield?

redshield · 18/04/2012 15:29

Im fine, you?

Starwisher · 18/04/2012 15:30

I love redsheild

So much drama, its like a hollywood movie

and i even googled doomsday plane

redshield · 18/04/2012 15:36

Starwisher.

You have just said what most people say after they have woken up.

Its like a hollywood movie.

Movies reach massive audiences and at the heart of the story there is always a message.

There is so much more for you to see if you keep looking.

Or you can just stick to the economic side of things (the end result will be the same), THE SLOG is the best place for what is happening in the eurozone, it is written by a man who has insiders in banks and governments leaking information to him. Check out his about section to see what he was the first to report on and then read his posts from the last few weeks and you will see how close we really are.

fluffiphlox · 18/04/2012 15:37

What is the resest?

redshield · 18/04/2012 15:37

Starwisher.

Forgot to ask, did you watch the iraq war veterans vid on youtube ?

redshield · 18/04/2012 15:38

Fluffiphlox.

A new way of life.

fluffiphlox · 18/04/2012 15:39

Oh dear Confused

Starwisher · 18/04/2012 15:39

I have been to engrossed in mn to watch videos but its next on my list!

I take your nn is inspired by the rothchilds connection?

redshield · 18/04/2012 15:40

Fluffiphlox.

Inform yourself of what is going on.

redshield · 18/04/2012 15:43

Starwisher.

Yes thats how i chose my name.

Starwisher · 18/04/2012 15:47

So are the rothschilda involved with modern UK banks now?

redshield · 18/04/2012 15:52

The Bank of England is currently printing money out of nothing to keep the economy going.

Money Masters explains everything right from how it started to where we are at now.

whoknewthat · 18/04/2012 15:56

In my head, Redshield is actually Larry Fishbourne in The Matrix. Wink

Abra1d · 18/04/2012 15:59

I'm surprised anyone in a bank has time to work. They all seem to be making Youtube films about conspiracies. No wonder it takes such a long time for my bank to reissue a new ATM card.

redshield · 18/04/2012 16:03

The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system, and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.

The Matrix is everywhere. It is all around us. Even now, in this very room. You can see it when you look out your window or when you turn on your television. You can feel it when you go to work... when you go to church... when you pay your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth. That you are a slave, Neo. Like everyone else you were born into bondage. Born into a prison that you cannot smell or taste or touch. A prison for your mind.

You take the blue pill, the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill, you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes.

whoknewthat · 18/04/2012 16:04

Exactly Grin

redshield · 18/04/2012 16:06

Abra1d.

You wont need an ATM card if they mange to install the new world order.

Starwisher · 18/04/2012 16:07

Ohhhhhhh

And there i was thinking running out museli would be the most dramatic thing i would encounter today

redshield · 18/04/2012 16:12

Good will hunting.

Why shouldn't I work for the N.S.A.... that's a tough one. But I'll take a shot. Say I'm working at N.S.A. and somebody puts a code on my desk, something no one else can break. Maybe I take a shot at it and maybe I break it. And I'm real happy with myself, 'cause I did my job well. But maybe that code was the location of some rebel army in North Africa or the Middle East, and once they have that location, they bomb the village where the rebels were hidin'- fifteen hundred people that I never met, never had no problem with get killed. Now the politicians are sayin', oh, "Send in the marines to secure the area" 'cause they don't give a shit. It won't be their kid over there, gettin' shot, just like it wasn't them when their number got called, 'cause they were pullin' a tour in the National Guard. It'll be some kid from Southie over there, takin' shrapnel in the ass; he comes back to find that the plant he used to work at got exported to the country he just got back from, and the guy who put the shrapnel in his ass got his old job, 'cause he'll work for fifteen cents a day and no bathroom breaks. Meanwhile he realizes the only reason he was over there in the first place was so that we could install a government that would sell us oil at a good price, and of course the oil companies use the little skirmish over there to scare up domestic oil prices- a cute little ancillary benefit for them, but it ain't helping my buddy at two-fifty a gallon. They're takin' their sweet time bringin' the oil back, o' course, maybe they even took the liberty of hiring an alcoholic skipper who likes to drink martinis an' fuckin' play slalom with the icebergs; it ain't too long 'til he hits one, spills the oil and kills all the sea life in the North Atlantic. So now my buddy's outta work, he can't afford to drive, so he's walkin' to the fuckin' job interviews, which sucks 'cause the shrapnel in his ass is givin' him chronic hemorrhoids, and meanwhile he's starvin' 'cause every time he tries to get a bite to eat, the only blue plate special they're servin' is North Atlantic scrod with Quaker State. So what did I think? I'm holdin' out for somethin' better. I figure fuck it, while I'm at it, why not just shoot my buddy, take his job, give it to his sworn enemy, hike up gas prices, bomb a village, club a baby seal, hit the hash pipe and join the National Guard? I could be elected President.

kettlecrisps · 18/04/2012 16:17

We have one of those plastic worlds were you can watch a few ants create their own little "world" and carry out their jobs etc. Yes they all know their role to play and eat, breathe, exist, die, reproduce - I don't think they necessarily attribute their desires for structure and inter-dependence to be a "conspiracy".

Possibly some ants are plotting to overthrow me and discuss how I control their movements and thoughts and they have no free will and it will all end in tears with the ants taking over my house....

The matrix thingy above and conspiracy theories - not too surprising to find parallels is it really - we are actually just extremely evolved ant cities with randomness being more realistic than conspiracy. No-one (even ME the ant controller) can't really control the outcomes of anything and in particular a "new world order" now can they?

kettlecrisps · 18/04/2012 16:22

Ooops should read "can really control the outcomes....." not "can't really control the outcomes"

Hmm... a conspiracy theory emerges: was that actually a double negative secret backwards/forwards way of saying what I actually meant or was it just a random mistake? hmm

redshield · 18/04/2012 16:26

You live on planet earth.

Planet earth is located in space.

you see an empty bus lane and are to scared to drive down it because a camera is watching you.

Everbody is controlled and they dont even know it.

It wont be long before you start to see a warning on websites that tell you that you are being monitored for your own safety.

You will not be happy about this but you will accept it and start to be careful about what you post.

So now where does that get you to.

Being monitored on a website is now how it works and in not time at all will be accepted as normal.

Its pretty easy to control people.