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to want to take my pushchair into my doctors surgery?

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gillquil · 09/04/2012 22:39

my g.p surgery has just banned pushchairs, I've them a letter that follows, is this the norm? or should I just change our G.P.?

Hello,

I would like to make a complaint about the forthcoming ban on pushchairs in the surgery from the first of April. I am a mother of three, my eldest child has just turned four and we have a double pushchair which we normally use for our two youngest. My youngest child has just turned one, and as is typical for his age, he wants to crawl and climb all the time, he definitely doesn?t want to sit on my lap while I wait, he will however normally wait happily in his pushchair, or sleep in it while we wait or during our appointments. My two year old daughter just wants to run around.

If I am unable to bring my pushchair into the surgery I am going to have to let my son crawl over the floor in the surgery which I can?t imagine being the most hygienic thing to do. Or when he is asleep I will have to wake him, and what if both he and his sister are sleeping? do I really want to wait for my appointment struggling with a sobbing two year old daughter and a crying one year old son, my handbag, and changing bag on the floor or on the seat next to me. All of which, toddler, and baby and baggage have to then be carried into the appointment. I would also like to know what is suggested for mothers who need for example to have their young child with them during say a smear test? Should I leave him to crawl around the floor in the surgery during this?

Parents that I know often rely on being able to entertain a young child or children in a pushchair so that they can speak to their G.P. or nurse for a few minutes uninterrupted. Or the child sleeps on through their appointment and waiting time, and the parent can have a proper conversation or treatment.
I don?t have the option of arranging childcare for the times when I need to come to the surgery, especially as we normally ring at 8 a.m to see what appointment we can get if any for that morning.

I asked about the security of the area that has been designated for pushchairs to be left. As far as the lady I spoke to knew, there is none, it seems that the surgery is relying on the area being ?out of sight.? I disagree anyone walking past will be able to see a row of unsecured pushchairs. Pushchairs cost as I am sure you know an enormous amount of money. We live close by and two of my neighbours have had pushchairs stolen from outside their own front doors in the last six months, and we had a child?s scooter taken ourselves. It was suggested also that I buy a bicycle style lock for our chair, but I can?t see what I would secure it to.

While I can see the need for some sort solution to the congestion in the waiting room, as a result of parents and children who are patients at XXX Surgery using pushchairs, I don?t feel that just telling people their only option is to leave their pushchairs outside, in an unsecured area, and carry in their child or children and changing bags, handbags and who knows even their shopping, is acceptable. In fact I think it?s discriminatory. I have spoken to several mothers today who are patients at XXX, as are their children, and they all agree, and have said they will be putting forward their comments also.

I look forward to your reply and hope that XXX can be a bit more creative in finding a solution that doesn?t leave patients feeling unwelcome.

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Whatmeworry · 10/04/2012 14:03

But this thread isn't about who's worse off it's about the admission of all patients at doctors' surgeries.

An infant doen't need a buggy for admission. A wheelchair user does.

Having a baby does not trump consideration for others you know.

nailak · 10/04/2012 14:15

yakbutter Tue 10-Apr-12 14:00:30
you can carry a baby or toddler and its a few short years. A 18 yo in a wheelchair cannot be carried in. Cant beleieve you cannot see the difference. Try removing the PFB glasses

so for a few short years then mothers and babies shouldnt have reasonable access to healthcare?

i think the issue is that there are more buggies then wheelchairs so wheelchairs dont make that much difference tbh

pinkappleby · 10/04/2012 14:15

I suggest you find another surgery. I moved because of various accessibility issues and have not regretted it. Your letter won't change their mind.

I would have struggled with a buggy ban and 3 under 4. I used to time my appointments for at least 1 to be asleep. No carseat as I would walk. The thing that used to make me so angry I wanted to cry was the waiting. Why can they not see that over an hour with a newborn and 2 toddlers is hard. Then getting the evils off the old people when the baby needs a breastfeed. Evils off the receptionist when you finally give in and let them run around. And why is is so flipping hot in there??

The person who asked who has to take children for a smear test made me cross, have some empathy for heaven's sake. No one wants to take their children with them but some of us have to. What else are we going to do with them? The people struggling are those with no family, maybe no partner, carers whose children's needs mean that no one will baby sit, people with multiple children under 5 and no one will take all of them, people saving any baby sitting favours for real emergencies etc etc.

I'm not an angry person normally but I sound angry in this post!!

Journey · 10/04/2012 14:19

This is a pet hate of mine. When you have a baby and a toddler to manage it isn't much fun at all. I think it just shows how unchildfriendly the UK is.

yakbutter · 10/04/2012 14:27

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Whatmeworry · 10/04/2012 14:29

so for a few short years then mothers and babies shouldnt have reasonable access to healthcare?

Not being able to wheel a buggy into a Doctor's surgery does not preclude acces to healthcare. It just precludes it at maximum convenience to you.

MissCoffeeNWine · 10/04/2012 14:32

I've never owned a pushchair, so clearly have never taken one to the doctor's surgery or hospital. And as a single parent with no childcare I managed blood tests, smear tests, vaccinations, as well as regular hop-up-on-the-bed examinations. And I've been to hospital for ultrasounds and x rays, and to the dentist for check ups and treatment. At no point did my not owning a pushchair hinder my access to healthcare.

nailak · 10/04/2012 14:35

yakbutter Tue 10-Apr-12 14:27:25
'so for a few short years then mothers and babies shouldnt have reasonable access to healthcare?'

oh dont be so dramatic. I had 3 under 3 plus 3 c-sections and despite a buggy ban have always had access to healthcare. People nowadays just cant manage anything. walking, getting across a car park without special places or getting into a surgery without a tank of a pushchair.
Add message | Report | Message poster Whatmeworry Tue 10-Apr-12 14:29:27
so for a few short years then mothers and babies shouldnt have reasonable access to healthcare?

Not being able to wheel a buggy into a Doctor's surgery does not preclude acces to healthcare. It just precludes it at maximum convenience to you.

thats you, can you not accept other people have different experiences and are telling you that they dont go to the dr for things that they would like to go to the doctor for because of these rules?

I can easily say that not being allowed to have a wheelchair in a surgery does not preclude access, just maximum convenience?

i know you will say the difference is that a wheel chair is often permanent and push chair is not? so what if the wheel chair is not permanent?

nailak · 10/04/2012 14:37

MissCoffeeNWine Tue 10-Apr-12 14:32:44
I've never owned a pushchair, so clearly have never taken one to the doctor's surgery or hospital. And as a single parent with no childcare I managed blood tests, smear tests, vaccinations, as well as regular hop-up-on-the-bed examinations. And I've been to hospital for ultrasounds and x rays, and to the dentist for check ups and treatment. At no point did my not owning a pushchair hinder my access to healthcare.

how many kids do you have? does your hcp allow you to take kids in to smears? will they hold baby for you? there are a million other considerations.

Just because some people find it possible, doesnt invalidate the experiences of people who dont find it possible and need help and support.

Kladdkaka · 10/04/2012 14:43

Yep, being wheelchair bound is all about convenience.

Leaves thread in total, utter, banging head against wall, despair at the level of ignorance proudly being waved about

Whatmeworry · 10/04/2012 14:46

Just because some people find it possible, doesnt invalidate the experiences of people who dont find it possible and need help and support.

Invalidate no, but show up a tad of over-reliance - definitely!

yakbutter · 10/04/2012 14:46

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OTTMummA · 10/04/2012 14:58

I agree that it isn't a massive inconvienince for able bodied parents, however, i don't think it is acceptable that mothers ( i say that because it is IME mothers who end up having to deal with the routine appts with children in tow ) are always at the bottom of the pile, it is considered ok to make our lives as difficult as possible.

I will say it again.

Why should a mother with pnd or MH problems seeking help have obstacles in her way that might prevent her recovery?

Why is that ok?

These rules, tend to be put in place by people who have already raised their children, and think that because they have suffered or been told to get on with it, then every other person should and WILL have it to do it that way aswell.
H&S has been round a long time, and yet everytime i have moved, no surgery has had this rule, although, clearly, judging from this thread, it is a common rule.
The surgery's that have to implement this because of a H&S inspection, should then realisticaly set to make space, or provided a place for people to safely store the buggies, if they are able to that is.

kickmewhenimdown · 10/04/2012 15:03

YANBU. I was due a smear when ds2 was just a few months old. I couldnt get a sitter and didn't want to miss appt as i had had abnormal smears whilst preggers. I had to take ds2 out his pram as it was not allowed in. Cue getting a smear and there was no one to hold him and I just had to lie him on the floor. I wasn't keen on doing it and it was not ideal but what else could be done?

nailak · 10/04/2012 15:06

Kladdkaka Tue 10-Apr-12 14:43:28
Yep, being wheelchair bound is all about convenience.

Leaves thread in total, utter, banging head against wall, despair at the level of ignorance proudly being waved about

it amazes me that people dont really want to educate or explain about disabilities and change what they believe are wrong perceptions and ignorance, instead try and belittle posters.

If i dont understand something, why not explain it to me? I dont understand, being a baby is not all all about convenience either? being sick is not about convenience? being in the gp full stop is not about convenience?

I am in NO WAY suggesting that wheelchair users should have to get out of them to access health care. I am just saying that the same way that IT IS possible to take 3 kids under 5 post caesarean in to a gps surgery, it is also POSSIBLE for a wheel chair user to be carried in.

nailak · 10/04/2012 15:06

Whatmeworry Tue 10-Apr-12 14:46:02
Just because some people find it possible, doesnt invalidate the experiences of people who dont find it possible and need help and support.

Invalidate no, but show up a tad of over-reliance - definitely!

sorry i dont understand? should we not rely on pushchairs and rely on slings instead?

nailak · 10/04/2012 15:08

kickmewhenimdown Tue 10-Apr-12 15:03:26
YANBU. I was due a smear when ds2 was just a few months old. I couldnt get a sitter and didn't want to miss appt as i had had abnormal smears whilst preggers. I had to take ds2 out his pram as it was not allowed in. Cue getting a smear and there was no one to hold him and I just had to lie him on the floor. I wasn't keen on doing it and it was not ideal but what else could be done?

if you had to do it again what would you do differently?

MissCoffeeNWine · 10/04/2012 15:11

At the moment one. Never asked if I was allowed, just did it. Noone has ever needed to hold my baby for me, so can't see why it would matter to them. My point was to the above it has never restricted my access to healthcare.

I don't know if our doctors lets prams in I have never noticed or tried to take one in, but it is a converted victorian house with lots of stairs. I think most would struggle if they tried, I would hope though as with anything else, if you can see that you may struggle call up and see what can be done, just like if you want assistance with buggy on train or want to make sure somewhere is accessible.

An easy solution not just put forward is to go with a friend and then it's all pretty much a moot point. And before anyone says not everyone has a friend etc etc yes I know, but it's another to add to the mix.

CherryBlossom27 · 10/04/2012 15:12

My doctors surgery won't let pushchairs into the waiting room, but we can leave them in the front entrance. I'm not 100% happy leaving it unattended, but I haven't got a choice.

Last time I saw the doctor I had to leave the pram in the front entrance take out DS and carry him upstairs to see the doctor. The doctor held DS whilst I took my coat off to have my blood pressure checked and I held DS whilst my blood pressure was being checked.

It's not ideal, but as long as my pram doesn't get stolen I'll be ok.

Whatmeworry · 10/04/2012 15:15

sorry i dont understand?

It means if other manage it, the pudding may be somewhat over-egged....

The real issue is that buggies are getting bigger, as H&S regulations are getting tougher, but most surgeries have no more space.

I genuinely believe a UK limit on buggy size is what we need....

OTTMummA · 10/04/2012 15:24

What about double, or triple buggies Whatmeworry?
Or would you have catergories of sizes for how many children a buggy could carry?

I saw 2 vintage silver cross prams last week, they were much bigger than my old pushchair, i doubt you could fit more than one on a bus etc.

What about people on holiday in the uk who bring over their own pushchairs?

I agree that there are a lot of buggies that are very large, but when you start forcing people to use a certain sized buggy, where will it end?

Personally i would like to ban oversized umbrellas Grin but i doubt that would be possible to inforce.

Whatmeworry · 10/04/2012 15:29

Personally i would like to ban oversized umbrellas grin but i doubt that would be possible to inforce.

That too - and those bloody wheel-behind-you suitcases

No one to be allowed more than one square yard of floor space.

:o

Sweetpea5 · 10/04/2012 15:31

My doctors bans buggies as well and its a right pain! I have only read this page and the first one but someone mentioned smear tests - I had to have one with 6month old lying on my chest going ballastic... No family in the country, husband cant get time off work, noone else to mind baby, no choice. It really wasnt pleasant and it was by far the most painful smear Ive had. Yes, I managed it, but wouldve been so much easier with pushchair. I can see why lots of them might cause a problem but where there is room (like in my surgery) it seems like making things difficult for nothing.

OutragedAtThePriceOfFreddos · 10/04/2012 15:37

it is also POSSIBLE for a wheelchair user to be carried in

Grin Can I come to stay on your planet for a while please?

nailak · 10/04/2012 15:38

Whatmeworry Tue 10-Apr-12 15:15:03
sorry i dont understand?

It means if other manage it, the pudding may be somewhat over-egged....

The real issue is that buggies are getting bigger, as H&S regulations are getting tougher, but most surgeries have no more space.

I genuinely believe a UK limit on buggy size is what we need....

just to be clear we are saying we should all be judged on our ability to manage based on the fact that some may beable to manage?

does this go for everything?