AIBU to think that the torries are going to far

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An article in the Telegraph today has said that the torries are going to stop under 25yr olds from claiming housing benefit and proposed that they should be living with their parents, like other 25yr olds in their first job.

Do the torries think that all unemployed young people leave home to move into a bedsit or a room in a shared house because they want independence and think that life is going to be one big party in there own pad. Have they thought about teenagers that have been in care and dumped out of the system at 18, have they considered people that left home at 16 to get away from abusive parents, have they considered people that have no parents and find themselves unemployed and unable to pay rent, have they considered people that are under care in the community, have they considered any of the people this could affect.

Highest youth unemployment in years and now they want to make people homeless!

AIBU in thinking that the tories have lost the plot?

The current British political system is run by the 'Haves' in order to ensure that they have more.
A complete overhaul of the system is needed with more than three main political parties which offer a choice of nothing.
Imagine if politics was taught in schools with a complete historical and theoretical spectrum, there is no way that everyone would stand for the current system. But it does not because the government control the curriculum so choose not to do so.

What concerns me is how many people this government has successfully brainwashed.

I'd love Cameron et al to spend the day at work with me, and to witness the people who are 'better off' on benefits. They'd then know what it's like to say no to somebody utterly broken and destitute, sitting sobbing in front of you and begging you for help when you just can't give it to them.

I tell you now, I have not come across ONE person on benefits that I'd consider 'well-off'. I agree that there are many people on low incomes who are also in a terrible position, but the answer isn't to make those on benefits even worse off so that the low-earners feel comparatively better off.

Their approach is rotten to the core.

There are three things that prevent people from becoming homeless:

1. Having a secure job,

2. Having friends or family you can borrow money from/ stay with temporarily,

3. Having enough savings to get you into the private rented sector should the worst happen (don't forget that on top of the rent, you have to fork up for the rent in advance and deposit. Pricey if you have children.)

The people I see don't have these things because they are very poor. And now I'm seeing more and more people come in who, by most people's standards, were once reasonably well off and fortunate. Circumstances change.

Chilling indeed.

The current British political system is run by the 'Haves' in order to ensure that they have more. A complete overhaul of the system is needed with more than three main political parties which offer a choice of nothing.

There is no doubt that the Tories are featherbedding their friends, and that has to stop. But any overhaul would also have to step up and admit that state spending is too high for what the taxed economy can deliver.

Oh and don't forget the demand that guarantors must own their own property. So, you could have all the money you needed to move in and it still wouldn't matter, because you don't know anybody wealthy enough to have their own property.

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Chilling- cold as a butchers slab.

Whatmeworry-The money is there, it is just hoarded and not used for the common good.
The people and the corporations that should be taxed heavily manage not to be by threatening to withdraw from the country if they are, thereby pulling away jobs and causing economic collapse.
Since both these things have already happened (how much stuff does the UK import nowadays?) And look, the UK is in one of the biggest recessions since the thirties, I say to those people and corporations bring it on.
The economy needs to be overhauled, moved from a global perspective to a insular one. On a global level the UK cannot compete nowadays without making massive sacrifices involving the people who are the least empowered.
I only have vauge ideas about what the alternative could be but there must be people out there who can take a desire for equality and get it to work for real.
Rare Albion was a book that I read a couple of years ago which had a very different perspective on how economics could work, a much fairer alternative to the current capitalist system. The reason we get told there are no viable alternatives is because the people running the system have it working for them so why would they want to change it?
Rare Albion

I hate the way anyone that voted for them defends themselves by saying "well Labour got us in this mess" or "we all in this together".

Seriously, think for yourselves, Look at what is happening.

"The money is there, it is just hoarded and not used for the common good. "

I often wonder why people continue to follow Labour so blindly after their recent 13 year performance, then see stuff like this and realize that a good portion of the population take every line of class propaganda they come out with as gospel truth.

Unthinking tribal politics at its worst.

It has nothing at all to do with how much we are taxing. We are now one of the most taxed countries in Europe, with a huge tax take. The problem is how much we are spending.

Glad to be a Tory voter thanks. They are the only ones with a foot firmly in reality right now.

if its labour who nearly bankrupted the country, how come the rest of the world are in pretty much exactly the same predicament. Its an international problem, not a national one

The rest of the world arent in the same predicament.

There are worse than us (Greece/Ireland/Iceland/Spain/Portugal etc) but most everyone else is better.

There is a global slump at the moment, but for us it has been made ten times worse by the policies of Labour.

looktoshinford I take it that you're not...

a single mother
a Pensioner
a Teacher
a Student
a smoker
a drinker
someone that buys food
a mother that has been force out of her home because dh has left and she can't afford the rent on her own
Unemployed
Disabled
Work for the NHS
working class
middle class
homeless
teenager looking for work
or
poor!

I'm thinking with an attitude like that you own a small business or earn over £100 grand a year because they were the only people that the budget was helping. Everyone else "is in it together"

The point here is that the conservatives are shitting on people who can't look after themselves and have a right to expect to be supported by the tax payer.

Like disabled people, for example. If you were affected by disability or were a carer lootoshinford, then perhaps your view would be different. What they are doing to disabled people is disgusting. Any government would have had to cut spending but the tories are gunning for the weakest most vulnerable members of society.

But they don't care because collective responsibility is a concept that completely escapes them.

YANBU!

The last time the tories were the richer got richer, the poorer got poorer and homelessness went up, particularly among young people IIRC.

Why should we expect anything different this time?

What annoys me the most is that they always show the worse cases of benefit abuse i.e. the builder claiming DSA or the single mother with 5 children living next to Madonna getting over £700 a week of benefits and claiming £1500 a month in rent and that's how they get away with cutting benefits that the poor, disabled disadvantaged people of this country so badly need.

looktoshinford are you quoting from a torie leaflet? I would love to be you and so blind to what's going on. I would love to not know homeless people, I would love to not have a disable friend who has just had her DSA cut because she was having a good day on the day of her assessment, but 2 days later was in hospital and stayed in bed for 6 days after. She was told she could work. She wears the highest level of morphine patches. Seriously I would love to be you!

Can I just add... this is how Hitler became so popular amongst the working classes of Germany; by spreading his propergander about the Jews.

No party should as you say "shit" on those who can't work. The problem is those who won't work. And I quote: SIL 1 - Exeter, 2:1, 1985, spent the next three years on the UK and did not work and had no intention of working - lived in London in cheap accommodation and on benefits whining about lack of privilege (her parents were an engineer and a deputy head). Met bloke moved to another continent where they have three children and continue to live on benefits. SIL2 - Durham - did exactly the same as SIL1 except on another continent she does work but chose the country on the basis that it had the best benefit system in the world.

The pair of them would spout much of what has been spouted on this thread.

That's the sort of behaviour that needs to stop forever. It's disgusting. They also got their university fees totally free and have conributed a big a fat zero.

There needs to be a safety net for those who cannot work. Those who can work should be working. We have neighbours where the husband has now been out of work for two years. He is still looking for 70k - I have offered 25k and he has refused because it is beneath his dignity. It is 25k more than they have had per annum for the last two years and would save their home.