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AIBU to think that the torries are going to far

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Facebookhurtsmybrain · 05/04/2012 14:26

An article in the Telegraph today has said that the torries are going to stop under 25yr olds from claiming housing benefit and proposed that they should be living with their parents, like other 25yr olds in their first job.

Do the torries think that all unemployed young people leave home to move into a bedsit or a room in a shared house because they want independence and think that life is going to be one big party in there own pad. Have they thought about teenagers that have been in care and dumped out of the system at 18, have they considered people that left home at 16 to get away from abusive parents, have they considered people that have no parents and find themselves unemployed and unable to pay rent, have they considered people that are under care in the community, have they considered any of the people this could affect.

Highest youth unemployment in years and now they want to make people homeless!

AIBU in thinking that the tories have lost the plot?

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RoloTamasi · 05/04/2012 17:48

Labour didn't nearly bankrupt the country.... they have bankrupted it. It's just the rest of the world is pretending not to notice, because they're not ready for the global financial armageddon that would accompany the death rattle of the square mile.

I will agree the Tories are doing a pretty poor job. They aren't really cutting much. Annual spending is still going up. That's not really much of a 'cut' in my book.

Labour are out of ideas, spouting their 'tories are evil' line whilst failing to put forward any real ideas themselves, and also conveniently forgetting that they were planning on making about 90% of the cuts the Tories have made anyway.

takingbackmonday · 05/04/2012 17:52

Yes, people seem to ignore than spending is still rising

woollyideas · 05/04/2012 17:54

UKIP!

takingbackmonday · 05/04/2012 17:55

UKIP are polling 8%. Laugh all you like but they're only 1% behind the LibDumbs

Voidka · 05/04/2012 17:58

UKIP's policy for people with disabilities is to "Re-examine community care and support congregate communities for people with learning disabilities."

takingbackmonday · 05/04/2012 17:59

Haven't read that. Christ.

fedupofnamechanging · 05/04/2012 18:03

I was married and a mother at the age of 25. Wonder how that would work out. Can see my parents being utterly thrilled to get me (plus husband and child) back at that point.

Once again the Tories have opened their mouths without engaging their brains first and let the contents of their heads, spill out, unhindered.

Whatmeworry · 05/04/2012 18:08

Anything to avoid the issue of house prices, given who their supporters are.

carernotasaint · 05/04/2012 18:09

Age discrimination anyone?

Dawndonna · 05/04/2012 18:09

Ukip want to put my kids in the equivalent of a workhouse. They want to bring back hanging. For crying out loud, who is supporting that?

Whilst I agree that Labour aren't doing a grand job, well, aren't doing any job really, they didn't get us into this mess. Apart from the fact it really did start with the privatisation of various companies and the destruction of manufacturing industries, Labour can only take the blame for being in government when a global crisis started which in fact had a great deal to do with a number of high profile banking companies.
As for the stuff about class bashing, it's true, the country is run by millionaires who have little or no idea how hard it is to go without.

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Facebookhurtsmybrain · 05/04/2012 19:09

Dawndonna you are a very clever person. I cringe when people say that labour bankrupted the country. That's like saying Churchill was responsible for ww2. No he just happened to be Prime Minister when the shit hit the fan war broke out.

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thekidsrule · 05/04/2012 19:36

havent read all but im getting blardy sick of this goverment really sick,i really wish we would all stand up over some of there cost cutting policies

and if there saying the 25yr old is a dependent will that then mean child benefit and tax credits reinstated

god im so staring to dispair

GeorginaWorsley · 05/04/2012 19:44

Actually Chamberlain was Prime Minister when War broke out,nor Churchill.
He became PM in May 1940.

maristella · 05/04/2012 19:47

I have never wanted a general election so blinkin badly.

I have never gambled away our countries millions, I have lent any money that I could not afford to lose. Why should I be getting poorer and poorer each and every fucking month?????

maristella · 05/04/2012 19:47

I have NEVER lent money that I could not afford to lose

Meglet · 05/04/2012 19:52

They really don't care. IMHO they are going to cause maximum carnage to the welfare state while they can. Destroy it now and they won't care if they don't get re-elected next time.

and what maristella said. I bumble along without frittering my money away, but I'm worse off since the Tories came in.

Debs75 · 05/04/2012 19:52

Well at 25 I was living at home with my mum and my 2 kids. Only for 6 months though. We lost our home through no fault of ours and had to live somewhere. Mum took me and the dc's in, dp went to mils. They both gave us 6 months to find somewhere to live. I moved out 2 days before the 6 months ran out. I think if I had stayed longer mum would of gone loopy.

It is though just another stupid idea bandied about by the tories which will get everyone mad, then they will announce a more ewatered down version and we will all be glad it's not as bad as first thought, only it is worse then what we have now and will not do much to help people

LydiaWickham · 05/04/2012 19:55

hmm, will there be an obligation for parents of 18 - 25 year olds to house them? This has always been my issue since the introduction of tuition fees and loans based on parental income for Uni (by Labour, equally taking a stable, middle-class view of all families), there is no obligation for parents to pay. You can 'means test' parents all you like, but unless you make them pay for their adult children's uni fees/housing/food, they don't have to actually do it and the DCs of wealthy parents who just don't want to help them out financially are screwed.

People who's DCs are in their 20s have every right to say, actually, no, I don't want to give you free bed and board. When do you stop being financially responsible for your DCs and they start being adults?

SkinnyVanillaLatte · 05/04/2012 20:01

Couldn't have put it better than Dinah

LydiaWickham · 05/04/2012 20:05

here's the article

Kayano · 05/04/2012 20:08

People will just lie. Some People say they got kicked out of home and are homeless in order to get a house ATM.

If it affected me I would just say I left an abusive situation and how the hell
Could they prove otherwise? I don't get how this would be enforceable?

Triggles · 05/04/2012 20:32

Just so I understand this... 18-25 "encouraged" to live at home with parents, so parents logistically supporting them (regardless of parents' income). But the parents are not able to claim them in any way for CB or CTC as they are adults.

I note that there is also an article that they are pushing for council tenants to buy their properties with a huge discount. Something about history repeating itself I suppose should go here....

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Facebookhurtsmybrain · 05/04/2012 23:03

GeorginaWorsley so it was all that Chamberlain's fault then...

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Jellykat · 05/04/2012 23:52

OMG - What will they think of next ???
They are scarey pig ignorant bastards.. they really are!

CaptainKirk · 06/04/2012 09:42

Everyone needs to remember that the Tories didn't actually win the election. They're only in power because the Lib Dems signed a pact with Satan so Mr. Clegg can have his time in the limelight. If they had any balls at all they'd pull out of the coalition and force new elections early.

I find it quite funny how many people are moaning about the government when many of them must have voted for it! What did they expect?? Did they really believe there was such a thing as a new conservative? Sure, Labour did muck things up a bit but you can't blame them for the world financial markets melting down. They were too optimistic in their projections and too slow to react when those projections were wrong. Remember that when Brown was chancellor the UK had one of the longest periods of economic growth on record.

The Tories have started a class war. It's up to us to make sure they lose.

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