If you can't afford children you shouldn't have them.

[MrsArchieTheInventor]

"If you can't afford children you shouldn't have them" [and] "child benefit and tax credits should be abolished" with the mantra that if she choses to be childless she should not be forced to pay for the 'breeding' choices of others.

A Facebook friend of mine. I didn't retaliate.

She shouldn't get help, but I don't thinks he should have to pay tax on a university education either. My ds also wants to go to med school, our income is just above the level to get tax credits before it changed. We won't get any help yet a family who don't contribute anything will. Sorry, but I do think that's unfair.

TSC, so what if you've seen me elsewhere saying something you disagree with? Am I not allowed an opinion on the welfare system in the country I live in just because some people on an Internet forum might decide its controversial?

My DD wants to be a vet, sadly that will be impossible. Through no fault of hers.

Oh, and if you think that everyone who pays HRT has an accountant that fiddles their taxes you are very naieve. The super rich do stuff like that, your average higer rate tax payer doesn't.

I'm sure you do know people who do it, I do too. In the same way that I also know people who deliberately play the benefits system so they don't have to work. Both are in the minority.

Just because I know some people who use the benefits system as a lifestyle choice, does not mean that everyone in benefits is doing the same thing. Likewise, just because you know some higher rate taxpayers that have accountants, wife assistants and ridiculous expense accounts does not mean that every higher rate taxpayer is dodging tax.

It's you can't make generalisations about either group of people and expect to be right about all of them.

Yes, I do! I can see people causing problems at both ends of the scale all at the same time!

Who do those at the bottom get to look down on?

Oops sorry that was a stupid question. They don't deserve to feel better do the because they are scum.

Poshos ;)

I've seen threads on here about tradesmen working cash in hand to avoid tax, multimillionaires like that Topshop guy, and countless threads complaining about politicians and their policies.

I don't think it's about having someone to look down on, that's very cynical. I think its more like we all like complaining about injustices.

Sometimes Tradesmen prefer cash in hand to avoid bank charges but still fully declare it for tax purposes. Just because there are some out there that do not declare all their earnings it doesn't mean that everyone who has been paid in cash doesn't declare it.

In the past I have earned some cash from doing a couple of hours work for friends to allow them to go for appointments. I always declared it. In fact one time the receipt I had written to help when it came to tax return time had got wet and I couldn't read it. I couldn't remember if I had received £25 or £35 so I declared £35 as a precaution to avoid accidentally breaking the law.

It may be cynical but when you are insulted and put down every day by those higher than you, really, what else are you supposed to think?

Oh let's turn this around and beat our chest "oh what about the children, they are the future" etc

Ok so how about the parent on non working benefits, who is already overcrowded in housing due to having several children already, unable to look after existing children without struggling and decides to have another baby with the latest boyfriend?

Now, some of us who make a conscious decision to have babies think about it long and hard with personal and financial considerations...... Do you think everyone does?

As a frontline healthcare worker, those parents don't just create a burden on the welfare statement they use a disproportionate amount of social and health services, due to various needs, not least because they have too many children to cope with.

Can those of us working have as many children as we want and expect our salary to increase proportionately? No. So why should others have that right?

Personal responsibility regarding birth control, in this country, in this day and age, isn't too much to ask.

rhino I am sorry but I really hope my daughters never need to be treated by you. I am sure you are great technically but I would prefer them to be treated by someone who does not resent their existence quite so much also I would prefer information on their progress to come from someone who would talk to me as a human being instead of looking down their nose at me.

I have had patients ranging from those from the poorest families to those with titles and/or jobs holding great power. I treated everyone of them with the same level of respect because they were all human beings and it was my job to help with their treatment not to judge them. A little bit of kindness and compassion goes a long way when you are not well or you are worrying about a relative who isn't well.

Can we have the street part in your street TSC, I suspect it may be safer than mine .

thats rwight rhinasaurus poorwxxxxxxxxxx people cant cope with their children and are all slxxuts

Hecubas
If you are a healthcare professional, you would realise non judgemental treatment is part of our code of conduct which does not colour judgment or practice.

However, we are human and outside practice are entitle to our own opinion.

I don't tend to spend so much time slagging off my patients or their families. Even those who have assaulted me.

Totally agree with you TSC.

Hecuba, you need to see that people who throw around insults and put downs are not 'higher' than other people who are kind and considerate and do their best just because they have a higher income. Although I think I know what you mean. There are many many people in this world that have a far higher income than I have, but that doesn't make them better than me in some way. I know that because I know what I do that contributes to society and to other people that doesn't involve paying higer rate tax. I sure you at every simelar,the only difference is that your confidence is too tied up in your income (or lack of) just now.

That's right bejeezusm sometimes poor or rich people can't cope. But those who have too many children generally can't cope more than those who don't.

i don't think rhino is wrong

we all have personal responsibility

this doesn't mean you are a Tory arse licker anti pinko liberal

its actually a sensible statement.

if you live in a one bed flat and already have 2 kids and are claiming benefits - then maybe you shouldn't have another

not beyond the realms of reasonableness

Who is slagging off anyone from a health promotion point of view, birth control is freely available, to everyone. Why "patients", (which quite frankly is an insulting term, which century did you train in?' I would prefer service users or clients) cannot be advised of this escapes me?