If you can't afford children you shouldn't have them.

[MrsArchieTheInventor]

"If you can't afford children you shouldn't have them" [and] "child benefit and tax credits should be abolished" with the mantra that if she choses to be childless she should not be forced to pay for the 'breeding' choices of others.

A Facebook friend of mine. I didn't retaliate.

festie

its all spin- the conservatives have been trying to get rid of the benefit system since before it was introduced

Bah Humbug.

A better analogy might be Mr Micawber:

"Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen nineteen six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery."

'Will you do a happy dance when more and more people can't afford to make ends meet? '

David Cameron certainly will. It's what the government, kill us all off to fix the pensions crisis. Although It would be a lot kinder to use Trident to blow us all up rather than just let us starve to death. Quicker and a lot less painful I would imagine. Although I suppose quick and relatively painless doesn't really meet his cronies desire to indulge in a bit of schadenfreude.

Not sure who is going to clean their homes, offices, wipe their arse when they are infirm after they have got rid of the chattering classes though. Mind you they won't have thought that far ahead, they are politicians so it's not fashionable to fully examine the bigger picture.

'Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery."'

That is already the reality of life for many whatme rent+CT+domestic fuel bills+commute to work >salary. In case you were wondering yes it does = misery. Also in case anyone was wondering I am referring to rent for the cheapest possible housing for the needs of the family in their area.

"Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen nineteen six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery."

Who is happy when government spending is cut to 19p19d and 6 then? Is it, perchance, those people whose lives are not made miserable by these cuts? Indeed, is it the group of people who are most likely to benefit from this misery themselves?

Hecuba Don't bother. Whatme has already stated:
I don't give a monkeys about how hurt you are, I give a monkeys about what is a real danger. If you don't wnat Greece or Spain to happen here, you need to start getting real, now.
In other words, those of us on benefits or on a tight budget don't matter, we need to get real whilst those that have enough can cruise along nicely, thank you.

Just thought I'd mention that pigs have been known to eat their own piglets...

But I see that the whole saga has been somewhat left behind so will move on.

I don't at all like that damnfool Chancellor's comment that the extra 5% on top income tax would "only" have brought in £100m pa, so wasn't worth it. Of course it would be bloody worth it! It'd be another £100m in the coffers, that's not exactly chump change! I don't see why that amount and more now needs to be taken off people who can least afford it because the top small percent don't want to let it out of their hot sticky mitts.

Frankly Scameron is on a mission to ensure that all the poor, sick and disabled people just kill themselves off asap so no one has to see them or worry about them or pay for them. I know it's shockingly bad karma to wish that he experience their situation for himself (and having a disabled son who has now died does NOT count as he clearly doesn't give a damn about disabled people, adults or children) but I do. Him and the whole bloody bunch of fascist eugenically-minded bastards running the country.

"I don't see why that amount and more now needs to be taken off people who can least afford it because the top small percent don't want to let it out of their hot sticky mitts. "

The top small percent pay actual tax, the 'people who can least afford it' dont. We need more of the former and less of the latter.

"Him and the whole bloody bunch of fascist eugenically-minded bastards running the country"

The only eugenics going on here is people who cant afford to have kids having them at the taxpayers expense. An entire strata of society free to bear children with no consequences, while everyone else has to count their pennies.

Its no coincidence that the welfare class grew so much over the last decade.

Removing this unfair bias is one of the things the coalition is doing. They cant of course do this by limiting benefits to a fixed number of children (imagine the wailing!), so they just drop benefits across the board, which should have a similar effect.

What exactly makes you think poorer people never count the pennies.

Ahahaha. Away with you, fascist.

Dont bite the hand that feeds you Thumbbunny.

"I know it's shockingly bad karma to wish that he experience their situation for himself (and having a disabled son who has now died does NOT count as he clearly doesn't give a damn about disabled people, adults or children) "

Disgraceful comment.

Lookto Again, what about those with disabilites, or carers, they are frequently on benefits.

I wonder how people can support a government that seems to live in a fantasy land. We have the institute of fiscal studies stating that various groups are missing out on varying amounts of money due to tax credit and benefit changes, and Cameron behaving like a sulky child in the playground with his fingers in his ears saying 'not true, not true.'

Why is that a disgraceful comment?
He loved his son and he feels the pain of losing him but he knows fuck all about living with disability in the real world. NOTHING.

He uses his experience as the father of a disabled child as some sort of proof that he would 'never do anything that would hurt a disabled child'

AND HE LIED.

People trusted him because he had a disabled child. They couldnt bring themselves to believe that he would let them down.

He has.
Because he neglected to mention the amount of staff he had to care for his son. That he never had to worry about respite, equipment, nappies etc.

He also claimed DLA for his child. He is now dismantling the very system that he made use of.

So put your po face away for when you need it.

Ahahaha again. He doesn't feed me and neither do you, fascist.

Yes remember the speech he made after the election 'the conservatives will look after you if you're disabled' bare faced lies....

The main reasons for the rise in people requiring benefits are:

1. Increased number of people being made redundant.

2.Increased numbers of people having their hours cut to avoid redundancy therefore more falling into low pay bracket

1. Increased numbers of people having their pay cut to avoid redundancy therefore more falling into low pay bracket.
2. Of the jobs that are available, a high proportion are NMW
3. There are less jobs available for graduates and school leavers.

HTH

Not disgraceful at all. I can also vouch for thumb that David Cameron doesn't feed her.

There would be more money available to support the people in that list if we didn't have to pay for long term benefits claimants to have as many children as they wanted. There would also be more money available for disabled people and their carers.

I don't think we should be trying to save money on the benefits bill personally, but I don't think we should be increasing it either because we just can't afford it. It needs to be redistributed so that the people who genuinely need it get it, and those in the minority who choose to live on benefits are forced to take some personal responsibility for themselves and their children.

I don't care about DC, all I care about is the knowledge that I didn't votre him in - my conscience is clear.

And there is something very creepy about the way he used his son in publicity shots (note he looks at the camera and not ONCE at his child) to convince people he understood - he doesn't and he never did. Worse still he could not give a shit.

The problem is every single measure that has ever been brought in to deal with benefit fraudsters and those who actively choose benefits has only ever hurt those genuinely in need while having no real impact on fraudsters and those who have made a lifestyle choice.

I don't personally know anyone on benefits who keeps having children as a lifestyle choice.

Can you honestly say that you do? I am not saying that these people do not exist but I think they are far fewer in existence than the government propaganda machine would have us believe.

And let me tell you those that do are not living it up. And people I know on benefits with say 4 children really, really struggle to make ends meet.

Tbh alot of this 'the chavs are taking all this money' is a good way of taking our attention away from the fact its mainly gov.officials who have grotesquely obscene levels of money thrown at them which could fund better things.

benefit bashing is always wheeled out when a distraction is needed I've noticed.

Most people I know on benefits argue about money too much to be making more babies!!!

What about all the members of the house of lords who get winter fuel allowance for example?

Those in the house of Lords work hard though. Unlike job seekers and those on NMW. Or so the proper people tell me. .