If you can't afford children you shouldn't have them.

[MrsArchieTheInventor]

"If you can't afford children you shouldn't have them" [and] "child benefit and tax credits should be abolished" with the mantra that if she choses to be childless she should not be forced to pay for the 'breeding' choices of others.

A Facebook friend of mine. I didn't retaliate.

@tethersend. I'm self-employed, over the CB income threshold, have no maternity leave entitlements, have to make my own pension arrangements, no holiday pay etc, etc. I work bloody hard and only complain about it when I read all this moaning about entitlements. God knows what kind of Greek economy you wish to see visited upon our grandchildren. Do the maths!

I thunk the sleight of mind is the fourth estate with the eager encouragement of Number Ten going after relatively few families for a supposed major slice of the national defecit.

think duh

So those drs and nurses who you pay to provide you with your health care littleteddy, did they train in special private hospitals and medical colleges?

Or did they receive heavily subsidized education and training, paid for with my taxes, so they could go and work in the private sector?

Ditto any teachers who teach your privately educated child/ren?

I'm not sure if your post is aimed at me bejeezus, but just in case it is, I haven't called the unemployed feckless chavs at all. Nor have I said I want their children to sink into destitution.

To throw insults, especially ones as harsh as cunt, isn't horrible just because I'm employed and pay tax, it's horrible full stop, and it devalues your valid points.

My view isn't as extreme as that of Teddy, so please don't think it is just because I agree benefits should be limited to two children where neither parent works. I'm not suggesting we kill babies or something, I'm saying parents need to be discouraged from creating multiple children when they already have two that someone else pays for.

whatmeworry seems to have more common sense than 95% of the contributors to this thread put together.

Well do you mean parents or do you mean women?

I thunk the sleight of mind is the fourth estate with the eager encouragement of Number Ten going after relatively few families for a supposed major slice of the national defecit.

That's evading the issue. You have to face up to it, painful as it may be.

You have to look very carefully for savings in something that is a quarter of the State's budget. It would be irresponsible not to.

Dont confuse 'I have found someone who shares my odious views' with 'common sense'

LittleTeddy- sorry, I am confused... Your child doesn't use the NHS or go to a state school; this you have confirmed.

At present, CB is paid to all children aged under 16, over 16 but under 20 and is in education or training that counts for Child Benefit, or under 18 and has recently left education or training. The income threshold does not come in for a while.

So where to whom have you returned the CB your child has received to date?

The families you criticise are not a quarter of the state's budget.

Well mrsDeVere, by paying for my child's eduction I'm freeing the state from having to pay. I'm actually paying twice in effect. Paying for all those striking teachers gold-plated pensions!

LittleTeddy also needs to remember that if (God forbid) she should be involved in a serious accident that the highly trained paramedics who might well save her life will also not come from the local Bupa hospital. We ALL benefit from the taxes we pay.

@tethersend. Yours is a fair point. I don't send HMRC a special refund but I'll get nothing once the new regime starts. Frankly, why should I?

Don't teachers, even in private schools, have to go to (state-funded) universities? (Maybe not.)

Oh, so you were educated privately too, LittleTeddy? And I assume you have only ever used private healthcare? Marvellous! You really don't use any services at all, do you?

The families you criticise are not a quarter of the state's budget.

So your position is that its OK to just carry on spending anyway?

I never claimed that I wasn't entitled to use the NHS. Sometimes I do so.

Whatmeworry, Just trying to get the facts straight.

I don't work, well actually I do, an eighteen hour day, seven days a week. However, I'm no benefits. DH doesn't work. Which twin shouldn't get anything?

on benefits apologies!

There's no moral high ground in what I'm saying. Simply that more people need to use some common sense and realise that 20, 30, 50 years down the line we face economic armageddon. We should have started slashing state spending 20 years ago.

"@tethersend. Yours is a fair point. I don't send HMRC a special refund but I'll get nothing once the new regime starts. Frankly, why should I?"

Oh... because you can't expect to say things like "Why the hell should I pay for other women to breed like farrowing sows while I work my arse off bringing up my child at my own expense?" and be taken seriously whilst the state pays you for having a child.

Surely you realise that?

Perhaps your argument will hold more weight once you stop receiving state benefits for the result of your breeding like a farrowing sow. Let's wait and see

How are you paying for it twice? Your child's teacher's get educated and qualified at our expense and they go and work for a private school.

How does that benefit me and my children exactly?

'gold plated pensions' - how silly.

You do realise that private healthcare is a drain on the NHS dont you? Where do they get their blood from?
Please tell me where all the emergency A&E departments are.

OK so donna's got twins. I'm complaining about the woman on the TV the other day who's got five children and next to no income. I'm simply saying that it's irresponsible to go on and on making babies if you don't have the means to support them.