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To rant about passive smoking here because...

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DairyNips · 04/04/2012 19:32

... I don't want to fall out with my pil?

My pil are lovely people and they adore their grandchildren (we have 2 ds's and one on the way). However, they smoke. Fil is open about it and mil hides it but we all know.

We have had words about the smoking several times since the dc came along. They generally leave the room to smoke but just dot make enough of an effort. Mainly its fil as mil tends to do it when we're not there. There's two issues really, the first is fil doesn't go far enough away to smoke so the smoke still drifts through. For eg he will go in to the kit hen which is out of the lounge and through the dining room. So two rooms away, no doors closed in between, no open windows. Sometimes he does it in the downstairs loo, just in the dining room (so the next room). Occasionally he goes out the back door, still no good as he stands near the door with it open and the smoke just drifts back in.

On occasion he has actually lit his fag whilst we were in the dining room with the children and he was stood in the kitchen, so effectively the same room as joined by open double doors. On these occasions we have suddenly realised (no warning given) and angrily taken the children in to the lounge and got their coats on to go. Dh has then had a quick rant at his mother about fils disgusting behaviour and we've left. This has happened several times as it never seems to sink in.. Fil will also light up on his way out and stand in the hall with lit fag saying bye etc whilst smoke drifts in to the lounge where we are.

The second problem is that the house is usually stinking of fag smoke when we visit. We always call before hand when we go because we don't want them to be smoking when we arrive. So they always have warning we are about to turn up. Regardless of this, 9 times out of 10 they just spray a ridiculous amount of air freshner as they believe it 'kills the toxins'. This means when we arrive it absolutely reeks of a heady mix offal smoke and air freshner which makes me feel really ill and terrible that the kids and my unborn baby are being subjected to this. If they don't spray anything (like this evening) it just reeks of smoke. After being there for half an hour tonight I had a headache and felt sick and had to leave. Sometimes my dh opens the window when we're there to let some fresh air in, they never get why he has done this and mil always asks him to close it as she's 'cold'. Oh well that's ok then, better for your grandchildren to breathe in poisonous fumes than you be a bit chilly.

That's the other thing I don't understand, the fact we ring before we go there gives them an ideal opertunity to air the room and open the windows themselves but they never do. They obviously just think the smoke disappears after they smoke and no need to do anything?!

They know by now we don't like smoking and certainly don't want the kids passive smoking but still it just doesn't seem to register they're not doing enough to protect our dc from it Sad

I'm so sick of this, we don't want to fall out with them over it as the dc love visiting on a regular basis. I just want them to 'get' how harmful it is.

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pinkyp · 04/04/2012 22:26

Can you not just say "do you mind nipping outside / standing at the back door to smoke whilst dcs are here? Perhaps buy them an air purifier for Christmas Smile

DairyNips · 04/04/2012 22:33

Hmm it's difficult. Of course my dc health is most important. I feel it's important for them to have a relationship with their grandparents though too. They don't see my parents so it's the only ones they've got.

How can i put it, fil is quite thick skinned and if we said 'do you mind popping outside' he might oblige but would quickly 'forget' and smoke inside another time.

I guess we do need to spell it out. It's such a shame. We feel really awkward bringing it up and the fact we have to bring it up again and again makes even more awkward Confused

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fatherchewylouis · 04/04/2012 22:56

I agree with the ground-rules stating what you need to happen for you to visit.

Also, if FIL will oblige if you ask him to pop outside thn say that to him each time, literally each and every time.

DairyNips · 04/04/2012 23:00

Argh, I know you're right about keeping saying it to fil but it's just so awkward!

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fatherchewylouis · 04/04/2012 23:03

I know dairy, it's always easier to advise it on a forum than to actually do it but my experience of awkward little things like this is the more you do it the less awkward it feels.

DairyNips · 04/04/2012 23:04

True.. It wouldn't be me anyway, dh would have to say it. I just don't feel it's my place.

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Iteotwawki · 04/04/2012 23:38

When I had DS1 my MiL smoked. DH is her only son so our children are her only grandsons.

We both dislike smoking and before the first child was born said that she was welcome to see him and spend time with him but that while she was still smoking we would not visit her at her house, she would have to come and visit him at ours. We also requested that she not smoke in our house at all but was welcome to use the garden if she needed to - but to wear a jacket over her indoor clothes and take it off again to minimise his smoke exposure.

She wasn't happy about the refusal to visit her house but neither of us like spending time in a place that reeks of stale smoke.

However, it does require you to be firm about what you are and aren't happy to accept. If your MiL misses your children and is sad because you haven't visited, there is nothing stopping her coming to see you in a smoke free home and putting a jacket on to smoke in the garden.

ballstoit · 04/04/2012 23:54

Can I just clarify...do you ask them to come and visit and they refuse? Or do they just not come?

I think I'd be getting DH to have a conversation with them, out of DC earshot, explaining that you won't be coming round while they smoke in the house, but that they are welcome to visit you at any time. Perhaps you could start by asking them to come for Sunday lunch? Or an evening meal?

I think it's important to be very clear that it's the smoking you don't want you DC exposed to, not the GPs.

SlackSally · 05/04/2012 00:00

Christ almighty, it's not mustard gas.

I know it's not ideal, but you realise the risk is far smaller than, say, every time you put your kids in the car, right?

kipperandtiger · 05/04/2012 00:08

Can't dictate what other people do in their own homes. Sounds like you'll just have to meet somewhere in between like a park or cafe, or alternatively go only in good weather and spend most of the time outdoors. The remnants of cigarette smoke will still be in their furniture/clothes and being outdoors lessens the exposure.

startail · 05/04/2012 00:16

No way could I have stopped DDad seeing his GDs just because he smoked.

And I'm fucking glad I didn't. Wanting to see them grow up is why he took a health scare seriously and stopped.

TheNightIsDarkAndFullOfTerrors · 05/04/2012 00:32

I took DS to see my mum's sister when he was a couple of days old. My mother smokes and we both went out into the sunny garden leaving him in the living room with aunt. When we came back, the room was cloudy and he was coughing his lungs up next to her chair where she was smoking one of her 80 a day completely unconcerned. Too ill and weak to move, apparently. Or to tell her DH who was in the very same room to call me to move my son. Angry

Six months later she had a GDD of her own and she was miraculously able to get up and walk down the garden path in November every fifteen minutes whenever her DD visited with the baby. For someone who had zero mobility previously it was amazing!

Some people are just bloody selfish.

DairyNips · 05/04/2012 09:55

Honestly, I am shocked by some of the ignorance to the effects of cigarette smoke on this thread.

Comparing it to the risk of taking my children in the carHmm going places in the car has a purpose. Smoking doesn't!

People suggesting I have to accept it because they should have a relationship with their grandparents. I know they should have a relationship, I want them to buy honestly, I shouldn't have to choose between my children's health and them seeing their grandparents.

How about the third option? They see their grandparents and they're NOT exposed to poisonous chemicals and toxins because their grandparents care enough to keep the smoke away from them?! Is that honestly so ridiculous? I don't think so.

Most of our visits are half an hour to an hour, is it really that inconvenient for a smoker to not smoke or do it outside during that time? I know I managed to go for hours on end without smoking when I was a smoker sometimes if I had to.

To clarify, if we don't invite them over they hardly ever come to visit. If we do invite them they say something like 'oh yes we'll see how we get on with tea etc then let you know' then we just don't hear from them and they don't come up. If this happens we usually invite them again, and again and they might eventually come up but most times we just get a fob off.

I actually disagree with this whole 'their house their rules', what about my children's right to be healthy? They have not chosen to smoke yet they are being forced to anyway. How is that fair?!

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IDontWantToBeFatAnymore · 05/04/2012 17:16

Maybe stop going? I know it isn't ideal but it will get the message across better than any shouting/asking will do.

Eglu · 05/04/2012 18:12

You have said already that they don't come to you when invited. But where is the incentive? They know you will just go around there.

Stop going, it's simple. Just tell them that as they haven't taken you serioisly WRT the smoking that you are unable to take your children around there any more.

DairyNips · 05/04/2012 18:31

If we stop going they won't come here any more often and the dc will be upset.

Just to be clear, there has been no 'shouting', we would never shout at them about it.

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Eglu · 05/04/2012 22:27

If they don't come to see you more often then they can't really be that bothered about their GC then.

I understand your DC will be upset but you need to make the choice. You have pointed out the dangers of smoking, you need to make the choice, it is clear your PIL are not going to change.

DairyNips · 05/04/2012 22:47

They really do care, just don't like going out much..

I can see we're gonna have to have a word again.

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