to grass this colleague up?...sorry, long!

[Whatafuzzfoot]

ok, so I started a new job 8 weeks ago today and another new guy started about 2 days after me.
Working hours for both of us were stated as 9-5.30.
It is a very small office (9 of us including me and said guy, but only 5 of us work together in the upstairs office)
It's a very relaxed laid back working environment. 2 bosses that share the business equally. I report into one of the bosses, he reports into the other (2 separate areas of the business)
Both bosses are mostly out of the office at meetings or working from home so we are mainly left to get on by ourselves.
There should be no issues with this as we both have plenty of work to get on with, know what we are doing etc and we could call our bosses if we needed anything.
The first few days was fine, but 2 weeks in he started taking the piss a bit.
He doesnt drive so his wife has to drop him off and pick him up, but they live 5 mins drive from the office.
Every day he slopes in at 9.10-9.20 and calls his wife to pick him up anytime between 5-5.30
He also doesnt have a mobile phone so uses the office phone several times a day to call his wife/family/book weekend activities etc (His wife also calls the office to speak to him at least twice a day)
He smokes quite alot and goes out for a cigarette break several times a day, roughly one fag break every 1.5 hours (not sure if that's normal as I have never smoked so dont know what is considered acceptable!)
He sits next to me so i can see exactly what he's doing on his screen all the time - and 9 times out of 10 he is on facebook, looking through pictures or writing private messages to people.
using FB in office hours is not exactly frowned upon though, as we do a lot of business through it, and my role genuinely requires me to be on it a fair bit. (As well as MN )
However, he works for a different part of the business, (our sister company I suppose you would call it) and there is no reason to be on FB at all for his role.

The other person in our upstairs office has noticed this too, but she already had a bust up about him stealing her sales (they are both commission based) so I think she is reluctant to say anything for fear of making things any more awkward

When his boss is in, he does his job (basically calling companies from our database and trying to sell things over the phone) but because his computer is turned the other way, I can see he is still on FB as he knows his boss can't see

So, what I'm asking really is AIBU to 'grass' this guy in?
I know it's not really my place and its not that I'm pissed off that I am genuinely working and arriving and leaving on time, its more that I'm angry that he is taking the piss out of this small family run business that the 2 bosses have worked hard to build from scratch.

So, should I say something? I don't want to come across a snitch or make my boss think I'm a twat but he's winding me up big style with his piss taking
TIA

I'm really torn, OP. Your bosses should be able to trust someone to do the job they are paid for, without having to check up on them all the time.

I'd leave it for now and see how things pan out - he might be able to do his job well and do what he is doing. In the end, it's results that count, not the number of hours actually spent in the office.

If he's pissed off other staff members, then you may not need to bring it up at all - they will.

YANBU but I wouldn't say anything. If he's as bad as you say, it will come out eventually. Doesn't matter whether he works when they're around but stops when they're not, as eventually numbers and targets etc consistently won't be met and at that point they'll do something about it and you don't have to be the bad guy.

RE the smoking thing, in previous jobs I've generally had an official smoking break once every 2.5-3 hours. At weekends or in my spare time, I would smoke once an hour. I guess if the boss wasn't in, I would have smoked more often. But I was a lot younger when I worked and didn't have a family to take care of, so jobs meant very little to me back then and I always followed my dad's motto, "If you can get away with doing very little and still get paid, then why not?"

Babylann, this seems to be what this guy is doing. Do you think the other employees have a duty to do something about it?

Sales jobs are about sales aren't they, not presenteeism?

Most sales people work longer hours, not shorter. It's hard to justify not doing a full day's work, don't you think?

Depends what he's achieving. And that's between his boss and him.

Employees probably do have a duty to do something about it, but I guess at the end of the day it's easier to feign ignorance when it comes out ("I'm always too busy to look over at his screen and see what he's up to - I had no idea he wasn't pulling his weight") than it is to deal with the glares and snide comments of an angry colleague who's being disciplined for something you told his bosses.

I've not had a job since becoming a parent and I've never had a job I care about for more than pocket money, so it's hard to say how I would feel if the job was important to me and I respected the company. I just know that I shy away from conflict to make my own working life easier because I don't want to have to add extra pressure or stress to work, especially not for the amount of money I'll probably be paid when I do start working again!

Exactly, sugar, and then the people who start then will see the culture is that you can do what you bloody want and they will do likewise. And then the owners wonder why the company is doing badly.

In my opinion, particularly in a small company, it's up to everyone to pull their weight. A large organisation might be able to afford to carry the odd lazy bastard (though I'm sure their shareholders would disagree) but a small company needs everyone working well.

yes it's annoying but let the boss work it out for himself

yeah but the op isn't affected in terms of her work by what the other guy does or doesn't do. She doesn't know presumably his targetes etc given that other guy reports to different boss. I'd leave it alone. It's up to his manager to sort it if in fact there is an issue... to be honest if you're going to go in saying well sometimes he comes in at ten past 9 and sometimes leaves early you'll possibly be more likely to damage their image of you rather than him

I'd be interested to hear the views of some people who own their own businesses.

It's obviously bothering you and you might find if you don't do something it will all come out in the wrong way

Do you like him? Can you just take one thing eg timekeeping or the fb use and call him on it directly? Preferably when one of the bosses is there - or ask to meet a boss at just after 5 if possible Obv he is unlikely to be a friend after that but you don't want him as a friend you want him either in the team or out of it

Oh I totally feel for you - esp re smoking breaks. I used to get so annoyed when colleagues of mine used to go out every HOUR for a 15 - min fag when we were all only meant to have a 15 min break in the morning and in the afternoon. I mean if you want to smoke, smoke by all means, but don't take the piss.
What happened was boss got wind of it and sent around a 'reminder' of the breaks policy to all staff via eamil as well as the internet useage (too many people on internet for personal reasons.) It was good - just a gentle reminder, not singling anyone out).
This was a large company, so don't know how you would do something like that? maybe ask manager/HR (if there is one) for the breaks/internet/ph useage to be put up somewhere ?

YABU nobody likes a grass

And as for the smoking breaks. Swings and roundabouts. IMO I have seen many a parent slope off early to pick up their kids from nursery/childminders.
And expected me to cover.

I think you are fighting a losing battle.

There are "workers" like this all over the world.

Try to ignore him and focus on your own work. The results will speak for themselves in time.

Why dont you just concentrate on your own job.

There does it say they are planning to do it? There were asking if they should which is entirely different.

If it impacts your work, raise it.

If it doesn't, don't.

Most good managers know a lot more than people give them credit for. Also output is far more important than presentism.

Nobody likes a grass
It is none of your business.
The bosses will.find out if they don't want him.

Stop interfering and being the golden employee. 🙄

Focus on your own job.

Snitch

Not sure is matters all that much 12 years later 🤣🤣

Bit late now, given that this all happened 12 years ago.