to grass this colleague up?...sorry, long!

[Whatafuzzfoot]

ok, so I started a new job 8 weeks ago today and another new guy started about 2 days after me.
Working hours for both of us were stated as 9-5.30.
It is a very small office (9 of us including me and said guy, but only 5 of us work together in the upstairs office)
It's a very relaxed laid back working environment. 2 bosses that share the business equally. I report into one of the bosses, he reports into the other (2 separate areas of the business)
Both bosses are mostly out of the office at meetings or working from home so we are mainly left to get on by ourselves.
There should be no issues with this as we both have plenty of work to get on with, know what we are doing etc and we could call our bosses if we needed anything.
The first few days was fine, but 2 weeks in he started taking the piss a bit.
He doesnt drive so his wife has to drop him off and pick him up, but they live 5 mins drive from the office.
Every day he slopes in at 9.10-9.20 and calls his wife to pick him up anytime between 5-5.30
He also doesnt have a mobile phone so uses the office phone several times a day to call his wife/family/book weekend activities etc (His wife also calls the office to speak to him at least twice a day)
He smokes quite alot and goes out for a cigarette break several times a day, roughly one fag break every 1.5 hours (not sure if that's normal as I have never smoked so dont know what is considered acceptable!)
He sits next to me so i can see exactly what he's doing on his screen all the time - and 9 times out of 10 he is on facebook, looking through pictures or writing private messages to people.
using FB in office hours is not exactly frowned upon though, as we do a lot of business through it, and my role genuinely requires me to be on it a fair bit. (As well as MN )
However, he works for a different part of the business, (our sister company I suppose you would call it) and there is no reason to be on FB at all for his role.

The other person in our upstairs office has noticed this too, but she already had a bust up about him stealing her sales (they are both commission based) so I think she is reluctant to say anything for fear of making things any more awkward

When his boss is in, he does his job (basically calling companies from our database and trying to sell things over the phone) but because his computer is turned the other way, I can see he is still on FB as he knows his boss can't see

So, what I'm asking really is AIBU to 'grass' this guy in?
I know it's not really my place and its not that I'm pissed off that I am genuinely working and arriving and leaving on time, its more that I'm angry that he is taking the piss out of this small family run business that the 2 bosses have worked hard to build from scratch.

So, should I say something? I don't want to come across a snitch or make my boss think I'm a twat but he's winding me up big style with his piss taking
TIA

Fatima - well, one was defo in work time as OP said as much on the post. Also as you know how many posts someone makes doesnt reflect how much time they spend on here. I could spend 4 hours on MN and not post once, just as the OP could be on it all day long and only post twice.

I wouldn't say anything to be honest. I've worked with a few people who either haven't been arsed to get on with the job or are downright devious in avoiding additional work. They have in both situations been found out by our manager as an incidental thing; each time the manager has looked into the situation himself and seen what's been happening and the matter has been dealt with. I think if you give people like your colleague enough rope he'll eventually hang himself and you won't be left looking like a grass / brown nose etc!

Griblet - I think you need to find something else to fill your time if all you have to do with your time is trawl through every post I have ever made to see exactly how much time I have spent on MN and exactly what day and time i have posted and what I have said.
Sorry, one non work related post is not exactly the same as 90% of your day on FB when no part of your job requires FB.
Anyway, to sum up... I am not going to say anything unless it starts to affect my work.
I dont think the bosses will pick up on it as quickly as you would think, but that's their problem I guess. It just offends me that he takes the piss out of someone who I respect for working hard to build up his own business and am very grateful for them giving me a job which I like and is ideal for my situation.

I'd leave it. Honestly. No good will come of it. I get what you're saying about your previous senior boss saying you should have blown the whistle but he was just spraying blame around as it was his job to notice. Just as it's this guy's boss's job to notice.

I know it is a bit sad I'll admit, I was intrigued after your indignant reply about being a hypocrite thats all. And it only took me about a minute to squizz down the list of ALL the posts you have EVER made (a handful) and see the times.

So to sum up, yes you are a bit of a hypocrite but it does sound like he is taking the piss more. But he will get sussed out if his skiving is affecting his work, and as long as it only affects his work let him dig his own grave.

Ooh I have a colleague like this. The boss is fully aware that she's using my ideas for herself etc and he goes along with it.

Nowt I can do. I don't like it but not alot of jobs out there. So I grin and take it on the chin and ensure I don't help her out at all when boss isn't there (and boy, she needs lots of support).

I wouldn't bother. It looks like your colleagues habits have been noted by others. You work in a small office and it will take a few months for everyone to know and then they'll all say something.

Yabu. As you correctly said it's not your place. And to be honest nothing you've said is all that outrageous. There will always be people who don't work as hard as you, wherever you work. That's life.

If he gets sacked can I have his job!?

Seriously though leave well alone, the truth will come out. Are colleagues on his own team taking on his work because he is lazy? I'm sure if they are they will bring it up with the manager? If its not affecting your day to day work other than annoying you its not worth the hassle. Plus you might get a reputation as a snitch and in my experience you could alienate yourself from colleagues.

If he gets sacked can I have his job!?

Seriously though leave well alone, the truth will come out. Are colleagues on his own team taking on his work because he is lazy? I'm sure if they are they will bring it up with the manager? If its not affecting your day to day work other than annoying you its not worth the hassle. Plus you might get a reputation as a snitch and in my experience you could alienate yourself from colleagues.

It wouldn't be unreasonable to grass him up but what would you gain?

I'm horrified by all these responses telling the OP to 'keep her beak out' etc.

This is a small family business. Just one salary has a huge impact on a small business. The managers are out of the office for much of the time - how exactly can they see for themselves that someone's skiving?

Of course it's in the OP's interests that the business thrives. Why the hell should a small family concern pay someone to waste time? Why should the OP just wait for the inevitable closure of the business if everyone's messing about?

It's early days for this man. There would be nothing wrong and everything right in saying to your manager, OP, that he/she might need to tell his/her partner to check that this man is actually doing his job properly. If she doesn't, someone should.

If someone else leaves and another newcomer joins the company, sees the guy arsing about on FB all day and behaves in the same way, is that acceptable? It doesn't take long for a working culture to change.

I think the OP owes her bosses loyalty. She's not suggesting he gets fired, just that if he is paid to do a job, someone should make sure he does it.

Well the managers should be more office based then to keep an eye on things! If the opportunities there to take advantage then its likely somebody will!

You are clearly missing a trick if it's possible to skive that much unnoticed. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em, that's my advice.

Thanks imperial I'm glad at least one person can see the impact on the business which is my concern.
I don't give a shiny shit about him personally, obviously I wouldn't want him to get sacked or anything but the reason it is bothering me and the reason I was considering 'grassing him up' for want of a better phrase is because it actually offends me that he is taking the piss out of two people who have worked hard their whole life and built up a good business from their living room whilst on mat leave. I have a lot of respect for them personally and for what they have done. It is still a new company that we are trying to build up and cannot afford to lose business. I was brought in to promote the company within the industry and he was hired to bring business in via the other branch of the company. So although he is not directly affecting my work, he is damaging the business as a whole.
Not that it matters as I don't feel I can say anything to my boss now anyway.

LeBof, how long do you think the business would survive if everyone did the least possible amount of work? Wouldn't you have any loyalty to your employer?

But surely if the bosses can't see what's going on under their noses that's a flaw in their managerial skill? its THEIR job to make sure he is doing HIS job. Its great that your so loyal and I'm sure they value you for it and it will be noticed and rewarded.

Buttery, are you saying the managers are wrong to trust the workers and should organise themselves as supervisors, rather than bring in extra business? That's a strange way of looking at it.

So because the managers haven't noticed, they deserve to have the piss taken out of them?

(I wasn't being entirely serious)

I'd like to know how this translates to other jobs.

If a helper in school saw that year 1 teacher was on FB all the time whilst her children did whatever they wanted, would you say it was none of her business?

If an A level teacher told her students, including your son, not to bother with homework or meeting deadlines, would you say that was up to her and her boss, who's ignorant of the fact, or would you report her?

But the man is not working in a caring profession or in charge of the care or wefare of children/adults/animals so its not really the same thing.

If everyone ran their businesses on good will and trust they would inevitably have employees who took the piss. They should be keeping check on things, its their job as a manager.

What does that matter, that it's not a caring profession? They were clearly able to trust their staff before this bloke came along to take the piss out of them. That's a fantastic feeling, that you are being trusted to do a good job. Most of us would hate to be monitored and would prefer to be trusted. It doesn't mean you can take advantage like that.

It's not your place, and a lot of your criticisms are very petty.

No it doesn't but its likely that someone will! People might not like being monitored but they might need to so employees like the man in question don't take the piss!

it is the mangers business and anyone with good business sense would keep there team on task.

In my work FB and other social site have been barred and there is a policy about internet use at work ( it is not allowed)

you can only smoke in offical break times.

get caught doing these it is a written warning too many of these could lead to you losing your job.

OP is there a policy at work for these, or is it as long a sale targets are made then internet access is allowed