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to ask all the skint and struggling people: what would help you the most?

317 replies

dreamingbohemian · 24/03/2012 10:04

I think it's clear that a lot of people are struggling right now. I'm on the thread about parents going without food and it's terrible what some people are going through.

It's also clear that there are a lot of judgmental attitudes, and that the government is not all that interested in tackling the problem.

But you can also see a lot of people are sympathetic and want to help, and are horrified that we are returning to a situation where people have to go without food.

There have been a number of good ideas on that thread, but I thought it might be good to start a new thread to not just talk about the problem, but about how we can all try to do something about it -- whether it's signing petitions, putting pressure on the government, or volunteering or donating in our local communities.

So AIBU to start by asking people who are struggling right now to talk about the top one or two things that would help them out the most? So that we are not focusing our attention on things that might not be the most helpful?

Or, on the flip side, is anyone engaged in anything right now that seems to be helping a lot of people?

I don't want to just be horrified, I want to do something...

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BoffinMum · 25/03/2012 18:39

Sorry if I am sounding like I am at work, btw. WinkGrin

marathonrunner · 25/03/2012 18:50

For the banks to reduce their ridiculous charges. I don't have a lot of money but am generally very careful with it. However, I do occasionally go overdrawn. However, it is usually only by a few pounds- the last time was 4p yet I still got charged £6!! I think it's disgraceful as charges like this can really mount up if you keep geting them and if you don't have a lot of money then the charges just compound the problem.

There is no way it costs £6 for the bank when I go 4p overdrawn particularly as I don't even get paper bills. I wouldn't mind paying what it actually costs but anything more is just profiteering.

tumbledryerballsarefab · 25/03/2012 19:27

I have read this thread and the other one and just wanted to offer, to anyone in the Stoke-on-Trent/City area, if you don't drive and rely on public transport, I'd be happy to pick you up (with DC) and you can come with me to Tesco/Morrisons/Aldi to get your food shopping done. I tend to alternate between the supermarkets (to get better deals)

Having read the threads, I can totally see why some people haven't got a car because of the cost of running one (I currently have a Company car but may not have it soon as on maternity leave and may not return to same position) but how by not having one can really limit the 'bulky' buys and where to shop too - knowing that you have to get yourself, DC(s) and shopping back on a bus or pay over the odds for a taxi.

Therefore, I'd be happy to help if that is of any use to any MNer reading or posting on this thread. Sorry if this sounds patronizing, it is a genuine offer so please PM me.

JugglingWithTangentialOranges · 25/03/2012 19:42

Absolutely agree marathonrunner - I don't always manage to be as careful as you. I was charged £150 in January by HSBC for going over my limit whilst my DH was working abroad (and I/we didn't make careful enough allowances for the situation)

This sort of thing is so depressing and demoralising for people.

And the banks make such huge profits with very little compassion or understanding of circumstances shown.

curtainrail · 25/03/2012 20:46

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JugglingWithTangentialOranges · 25/03/2012 21:09

How's that going to work curtainrail ?

dreamingbohemian · 25/03/2012 21:20

tumbledryer -- that's really swell of you Smile

yes curtain, what's that about?

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dreamingbohemian · 25/03/2012 21:43

Boffin very interesting!

I wouldn't say that eugenics was a core part of the Progressives' philosophy, at least not how they evolved over time (they were also very active in the civil rights movement later on, for one thing). I would not be surprised however if there were a number of people in the movement who did believe in eugenics, which was quite trendy at that time in American intellectual circles (ashamedly). There were quite a lot of Progressive extremists, including those who pushed through Prohibition.

The sort of legacy of progressivism is definitely the social justice angle. That's what I'm talking about reviving. If you say 'progressive' to an American, you think of campaigners closing down sweatshops and pulling children out of the mines and instituting food hygiene laws, all that kind of stuff.

It is interesting (and depressing!) to think that maybe some of that was done in the service of a dodgy ideology like eugenics. But I would say that aspect of it faded over time, certainly in the post-WW2 era.

Is there a way to revive that kind of idealism (sans any awful ideologies)?

I was thinking that really, at the heart of so many problems we are talking about, is corruption. Only we don't call it corruption -- it's been so normalised, it just seems like normal business practices, or normal government-business relations.

But the private sector supporting the political sector, in return for massive tax breaks and favourable policies, at the expense of ordinary citizens, is pretty much corruption in my book.

And this is the big barrier to the government doing anything to help people. Can't regulate rents, the landlords will be upset! Have to slash the budget but we can still bail out the banks, can't lose those banks! Everything gets privatised, transport, services, now health care. Tax avoidance, workfare, it goes on and on.

It's pure corruption! So maybe the first step is to start calling it what it is. And maybe somehow a movement against corruption can take off, that isn't aligned to any political party or ideology, that is simply about ending this ridiculous state of corruption and clawing back a decent standard of life for us citizens.

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BoffinMum · 25/03/2012 22:13

I think you're a bit harsh - it's not all corruption, and it's not all badly meant. There is some virtue in periodic reorganisation and examination of how services are provided (I am thinking of the anti-cartel steps in the 1980s that opened up optician services as being one very good example, as well as the privatisation of BT). However what we seem to have is a group who quite consistently go beyond what is permissible in terms of trading favours and so on, resulting in a degree of self-replication of the ruling classes that is simply unacceptable in the 21st century.

curtainrail · 25/03/2012 22:15

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BoffinMum · 25/03/2012 22:15

BTW the way forward surely has to be the kind of approach that Obama took to win the presidency - lots of small web based donations and a person-to-person communication network.

BoffinMum · 25/03/2012 22:16

Bloody hell, curtainrail, you're stuffed if you're an aspiring entrepreneur aren't you? Bit of a policy own goal, that.

Hecubasdaughter · 25/03/2012 22:17

Solve the pensions crisis though. Kill off the hoi polloi by default and eureka!

BoffinMum · 25/03/2012 22:18

You are assuming forward planning there. Wink

Hecubasdaughter · 25/03/2012 22:22

Serendipity. Wink

Hey this isn't bad for stupid poor person is it. Long words and Greek on Greek Independence Day.

curtainrail · 25/03/2012 22:25

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BoffinMum · 25/03/2012 22:40

Have just signed up for the Fawcett Society and ordered a t-shirt for my DD saying "This is what a feminist looks like". Quite tempted to order one for DH as well, and DS3 (not sure the other two boys are positioned sufficiently well in their social circles to brazen a t-shirt like this out, at the moment anyway).

NowThenWreck · 25/03/2012 23:25

curtainrail-I thought the assumption was going to be min wage at 24 hours a weeks?
Its so confusing at the moment, because UH has not been totally finalised, so the actual figures are somewhat provisional.
It is still going to be hard to start a fledgling business unless you have a rich husband, or a big stash of capital.

pohara · 25/03/2012 23:38

I am in NZ and I can relate to this, it seems as though our set ups are quite similar.

As I qualify as a "low-income family" (me & 2 kids), I receive tax credits, heavily-subsidised childcare, accommodation supplement and child support.

Along with my salary this is enough for mortgage, rates, insurances, power, phone, petrol and childcare fee top up. There is about £50 ($100) left each week to cover food, clothing, doctor, dentist, haircuts, swimming lessons (I view this as neccessity as we are surrounded by water), household maintenance, presents, school things and whatever else.

So yes to skipping meals.

We can apply for up to £250 ($480) worth of supermarket vouchers each year but I have only done this once when there was a glitch with payroll and I didn't have any money at all. It took half a day to processs which seemed excessive and disrespectful. The staff were nice enough but the system seems to be a jumping through hoops exercise which I felt was dehumanising.

To gossipmonger, your comments come across as deeply ignorant, maybe you can educate yourself by reading instead of posting.

To my fellow poverty-stricken friends in the UK (and anywhere else you are posting from), hang in there! x

dreamingbohemian · 26/03/2012 00:43

The problem with that approach Boffin is that you need an Obama to show up and lead.

Is there a UK Obama?

curtain that's really awful about the self-employed changes!
Aren't they always encouraging people to start their own business if they can't find a job? What do they expect people to do now?

I was self-employed for a long time doing freelance work, I know at the end the government were starting to really discourage self-employed status because they think it's being abused too much.

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garlicbutter · 26/03/2012 09:41

Aren't they always encouraging people to start their own business if they can't find a job? What do they expect people to do now?

If you'll excuse my cynicism ... They expect people to be immediately self-supporting or go & work at a warehouse for benefits. No room for failures here!

I've been wondering whether I should sign up as a workfare 'provider', then get myself working for myself as a slave ... Confused

LittleWhiteMice · 26/03/2012 09:43

lobby the gov to pay off OUR debts so that it frees up money for us to start spending again.

Unlike the banks most people use it properly!

garlicbutter · 26/03/2012 09:46

Your idea might actually appeal to our govt, Mice. It involves giving public money to banks, they like doing that.

Hecubasdaughter · 26/03/2012 09:47

Genius garlic

garlicbutter · 26/03/2012 09:51

Grin Sorted!!