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to find this weird?

51 replies

dobeessneeze · 18/03/2012 21:12

This week, after our cleaner had gone, I found a present for DD in her cot, along with a card and a note saying to give it to DP. When he opened it, it turned out to be a Mother's Day card 'to my wife on your very first mother's day', presumably for him to send to me.

We've had her since just before Christmas on a recommendation from a neighbour (who we don't know). She's nice, very very chatty, although most of her stories are bizarre/bordering on totally unbelievable. She's not brilliant, but the house is definitely cleaner than it was before we got her.

This is just the latest in a whole string of presents that she's started to bring us, mostly for DD, but sometimes for me and DP as well. It's mostly just little things, a bunch of daffodils, baby clothes that are far too small that she's picked up in charity shops and things, although she also brought us a DVD a few weeks back. It's got to the point where she is now bringing us something every week. I think she's just lonely, but it's making me feel a bit uncomfortable.

Every time she does it I say something along the lines of 'thank you, that's very kind of you, but you really don't have to do that', at which point she says something about being 'the present lady', or about how much she wishes she had a grandchild of her own. At first we thought it was nice/funny, but it's been preying on my mind for the last couple of days as to start providing us with greetings cards to send to each other seems to be bordering on plain weird. We were also away for 10 days a few weeks ago, and I think she came back in to do some of our washing after her usual session as all the cleaning cloths were hung up when we got back.

I sound horrible don't I? Why would anyone complain when they have a cleaner, especially one who is fond of us, who does our washing while we're away, and who likes to bring us presents, but it does feel weird. I'm not sure if I should say anything to her, although I don't think it's worth creating any sort of conflict over.

OP posts:
Stratters · 19/03/2012 10:00

She doesn't sound nice/lonely etc to me, she sounds creepy and stalky. And way too inappropriate.

dobeessneeze · 19/03/2012 10:05

Figarello - you've hit the nail on the head. It's not that any of her actions so far are that serious, but they are getting more personal. A Christmas present for the baby is ok; we gave her a present too. I'm even willing to accept the baby food and the card, but I'm worried about what's coming next. I'm not ready for this level of commitment to my cleaner! DP reckons she's going to try and kidnap DD. She did actually make a joke about that the other day.

On the other hand I did recently resolve to be less cynical and always think the best of people - you can't have too many people looking out for you in life surely?

OP posts:
lambethlil · 19/03/2012 10:05

It's difficult.

OP's cleaner sounds lonely and although she's not obliged to have a present giving realtionship with her, the cleaner probably enjoys giving the gifts and looking in charity shops for them etc.

I have a similar realtionship with my cleaner. She's lonely and misses her DCs. I accept the gifts and occasionally hang around to clean with her- it's definitely a high class problem.

Chubfuddler · 19/03/2012 10:05

Shes weird. Seriously. Sack her and change the locks.

lambethlil · 19/03/2012 10:07

Chub she's lonely, don't be so cynical.

Stratters · 19/03/2012 10:09

See what Calamity just put? That's a good grasp of what's appropriate, of not overstepping boundaries. The Christmas present is fine, the daffs would be fine if not bought. Everything else is overstepping.

Chubfuddler · 19/03/2012 10:09

I'm not cynical, the op feels uncomfortable.

Don't make the mistake of thinking you gave to be friends with your cleaner because if you aren't you may be a snob etc etc. it's a professional relationship, nothing more.

Stratters · 19/03/2012 10:15

Lambeth, she's only had this cleaner since Christmas, it would be overstepping the mark in an established relationship to pull that Mothers Day stunt, let alone one that's only a few months old.

lambethlil · 19/03/2012 10:17

I don't have to be friends with her, and I'd prefer to have someone reliable who whizzed in without a word a magicked away all the mess and dirt, but it doesn't work like that. I trust her with my house keys, not to let the dog run away and not to knick the silver.

By definition, (in big cities at least) cleaners tend to be migrant workers- they do the jobs no-one else want to do. It's a grey area and not quite a professional relationship.

diddl · 19/03/2012 10:18

It sounds as if she thinks you are her family.

And "joking" about kidnapping your daughter?-that´s just too much coming from someone who you feel uncomfortable with.

This person has a key to your house-you need to trust them!!

lambethlil · 19/03/2012 10:19

The just before Christmas aspect is true... I just don't know how you can have a strictly professional relationship with someone who has keys, doesn't let the dog out not nick the silver etc.

Chubfuddler · 19/03/2012 10:19

There's a big difference between exchanging a few pleasantries and the behaviour of the ops cleaner. It's odd. Really off.

Stratters · 19/03/2012 10:24

What Chub said. Talking, having a friendly conversation, Christmas cards - normal. Birthday cards, unbought flowers, chat and coffee and biscuits in her break - normal in an established relationship. Anything else, overstepping boundaries, unless you are comfortable with it. And OP clearly isn't, because her instincts are telling her it's off.

JaneB1rkin · 19/03/2012 12:13

Well yes and she ought to follow her instincts, but that doesn't necessitate telling the woman what she did wrong.

Not in this instance anyway. like when you dump someone for being a bit needy, you wouldn't tell them that, you'd make an excuse and I t hink that would be appropriate in this situation too.

lambethlil · 19/03/2012 14:20

JaneB1 you'd advocate sacking her? Not being adversarial, just clarifying what you're saying.

ChickensHaveNoLips · 19/03/2012 14:28

This would creep me out. It's too....blurry. She's the cleaner. You're her employer. All this nicey nicey shit will complicate matters. You'll start feeling in her debt. So when she starts letting the cleaning slide, or takes the piss in some other way, you'll feel like you can't say anything because she bought you a birthday present and made it snow outside DD's window for Christmas. Nah. It's weird

Flimflammery · 19/03/2012 14:36

"thank you, that's very kind of you, but you really don't have to do that" is what you say when you're happy with a present but don't want the person to feel they had to get it.

It's not the same as saying "Listen, we know you mean well with the presents, and coming in when we're away, but we feel a bit uncomfortable with it now, so please don't get us anything more, and don't come in when we're away. We're very happy with your cleaning, by the way. How are your children?"

JaneB1rkin · 19/03/2012 14:47

Flim that sounds about right, if they're going to try and keep her on.

Lil, I don't know. I do think if the OP is that uncomfortable with the woman it's not likely to be a happy relationship so it might be best to let her go, depending on other circs, if she is desperate for the job etc etc.

That's all. Some people might be happy with the behaviour and a lot probably wouldn't. I just think it would be unnecessary and unkind to tell her she is being OTT because on some level she probably already knows that.

carabos · 19/03/2012 14:57

Boundaries are extremely important in any relationship. However innocent her motives, she is making you uncomfortable in your own home. Tell her you are ending the relationship and explain why.

mummymeister · 19/03/2012 15:03

Its such a tricky one as it is all about how her behaviour makes you feel. if it were a childhood friend doing this, someone you were close to or your sister then it would feel fine. this is someone that comes into your home and works for you and you have to make sure that you make the employer/employee boundary very clear. I am sure she is lonely and that is a horrible way to feel but sometimes you have to go with your gut instincts and if it just doesnt feel right then it isnt right and you have to move on and ask her to leave.

Mishy1234 · 19/03/2012 15:05

She does sound a bit familiar. It would make me feel uncomfortable too tbh.

I wouldn't be happy with her coming into the house when we weren't expecting her to either.

Proudnscary · 19/03/2012 15:10

Look it really doesn't matter if it's kind/unkind, judgemental, paranoid, unfair etc etc..if anyone is coming into your home and making you feel uncomfortable then they have to go. Don'tadhere to silly British awkwardness and a fear of hurting someone's feelings. Your instincts are telling you to get rid. Do it.

fridakahlo · 19/03/2012 15:26

Innapropriate present giving is a very big sign of unhealthy boundaries.
I'd be getting rid and changing the locks.

SerenityNOT · 19/03/2012 15:32

You never know, you may wake in the night to find her watching over you 'making sure you're safe while you're sleeping' Grin

MsF1t · 19/03/2012 15:37

I agree with Flimflam, too. I honestly wonder sometimes at people's inability to just say what they mean. She sounds lonely to me, maybe even a bit weird- and Polish, so from another culture, too. Hardly the crime of the century.

However, if it makes you uncomfortable, then get a different cleaner. One that isn't familiar.