To think "hurrah" when Pauline Quirke admits that when she was huge it was down to general greediness!

[hubbabubbabubba]

Just sick of people not being honest!
i dont believe in people being a size 0 at all, but surely being that large is not good for your health.
She has done brilliantly!

BTW if someone starts wittering on about 'real women', 'big girls' and 'curves' i will stop being so reasonable

Just sayin

Get your face into that!

"I don't agree that most people are fat due to greediness. I think some are."

I also don't agree with its implied corollary - most people who are not fat are that way because they are not greedy.

Plenty of people maintain a "healthy" weight whilst troughing it and taking fuck all exercise.

They're often the ones sneering at fatter people, who in some cases eat less.

Being hypothyroid can mean gaining weight on a 1000 calorie a day diet.

Sick (mostly) women are sent away from the doctor's accused of being greedy, because the idiotic faux wisdom of the OP even extends to some GPs.

Did someone mention cake?

Is there any coffee & walnut left? - but someone can have my nuts, I can't eat nuts, not 'lergic or anything just don't like the bits in me teeth for hours after.

Eat less, do more - it sounds so simple, but I would say that most obese people have some sort of inner demon that plays as big a part of someones obeseness as overeating.

If you're fat, unless you can afford to go to weekly meetings, or Lighterlife, or somewhere where you can actually get the support you need, you're on your own.

I was looking at notices at my GP's the other day. You can go to alcohol, drug and cigarette addiction support groups every day of the week if you need to, twice a day sometimes, and all free of charge.
If you're fat, seriously fat, unless you pay, there is no support. You could go down the medical route, then face criticism because you had no willpower and got to that size in the first place.
Our GP surgery offer support for those with an underlying condition such as diabetes, they are happy for you to see a nurse every day if you need to, but without another condition, you're on your own.

Sparky I am

Were you planning on mentioning the cake thing on our weight loss thread???

Oh go on then. Lemon drizzle for me please.

Mrspp Tis virtual cake and I am ill :(

There is far to much time on mumsnet spent debating how fat people stay fat, why they are fat and how they got fat

rather than how slim people stay slim, why they are slim and how they don't get any larger

Faverolles makes a very good point.

What size are you know, OP? just out of interest - and tell us your largest ever size and smallest ever? Genuine question, not meaning to be rude.

Whilst a lot of people are in denial about the quantities they consume there are very many factors involved in obesity.

Eat less, do more sounds so very easy doesn't it to someone who hasn't got a weight problem. But how much less and how much more? Any ideas on how excess weight impacts on the metabolism? Any ideas about how much control a 'larger lady' needs to sort her problem out?

I don't have a weight problem but I know that the human body is more complex than the calories in calories out equation would have you believe.

Nice OP. Good to see some empathy. Why don't you take one example and use it to prove that all overweight people are greedy liars? Oh you did.

CBA with the fat / not fat thing, but since I am stuck in house with poorly ds, would like to join the cake-a-thon please - see, eating out of boredom, totally emotional, blah blah.

Carrot cake for me please. Or an oaty gypsy creme. Or maybe a nice scone ... And please for the love of all that's holy, a decent coffee!!

I love it when people say eat less and do more as though its some sort of revelation that no fat person ever thought of...I am obese because I eat to much - I exercise a lot too but that?s by the by. The reason I eat too much is because it is my emotional crutch - I can?t understand how people drink or smoke for instance...but that hole inside me (emotional hole not big fat tum) is soothed by eating too much. I can stand by and say just as glibly ?how stupid you are to smoke? just the same way people who don?t have issues with food look at me and say ?why doesn?t she just eat less ffs? To be honest I almost wish I was addicted to cigarettes etc because I would get a shit load of help/substitutions but as other have said its either surgery or eat less - duh, if I had the will power to eat less, I bloody would. Most diets, imho, fail because they have not got to the "kernel" of why that person is literally wearing their unhappiness. I am very pleased (and jealous) when someone is lauded for losing lots of weight but cant help wonder a) are they being paid and b) will they be the same in 12 months if they haven?t dealt with their inner demons. To me that?s where the NHS should be spending money in tackling obesity - tackling the cause not the symptoms

OhChristFENTON (love the name!)

My smallest size was a size six (when I was grieving for my friend, also when I separated from my ex) and my normal/largest size is a size ten/ probably near a 12.

Thank you

So, hubba I'm guessing that change of going up/down three sizes could equate to 3, 4 stone? That's a lot of an increase/decrease but it happens and yes often before a person realises that they've gone 'too far' and then are left with an enormous struggle to change it.

For example I am not much over 5' and I have crept up to say a size 14, that's overweight for me but I didn't feel desperately unhappy with it. But what if something had happened and I overate and crept up another size or two? (in fact my 14's were a bit snug at one point) I would have been classed as obese and I would have thought 'how did this happen?'

Anyway you asked 'how did you get that big' so there it is^

If it was soooooooo simple then PQ would have lost her weight yonks ago. She didn't.

She succedded when she went on LLife which is afaik an eating programme yes, BUT combined with counselling to find out WHY she overate. This is the key. Not the portion control.

I would say though that it was only a difference of 2 stone rather than 3 or 4. The near size 12 was when I was pregnant with a 10lb son!

Careful hubba, you are in danger of stealth bragging there

You were only a size 12 when pregnant with a 10lbder?

I was a 16 with a 6lbder

I would imagine Lighter Life is v expensive.

I think PQ may have lost too much weight. Too much off your face and neck is aging I think. Best to have some fat around the cheek bones.

Do you tell anorexics to shut the fuck up and eat something op?

Over eating can be a disease just as not eating is. When I have had bad periods in my life I over eat.

I once after losing one of my sons stopped eating and lost 3 stone in as many months. Yes everyone was telling me I looked great while conveniently ignoring the fact I was having a fucking breakdown.

Being fat is not a crime.

Not very stealth to be honest

trying to be polite