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...to tell my mum she can't stay with us after our wedding? (long)

62 replies

aurynne · 03/03/2012 21:33

Background: I am originally from Spain but I have been living in New Zealand for 6 years, and have a kiwi DP. My mum and my sister came last Christmas for a visit, for the first time, and I spent 3 weeks showing them this wonderful country. They had the time of their life. however, my mum was an absolute pain to both my sis and me... even though my sister and I are 29 and 35 years old and have been living on our own for ages, she is stuck in our "teenager years" and treats us as such. She is incredibly annoying to have around, she will ask us whether we "had brushed our teeth and had a wee" before going out, will tell me to make my bed and where to put my clothes in my own house, will argue my own house rules... you get the picture. My sis and I, on the other hand, get along beautifully.

Fast forward a couple of months: my DP proposed recently and I said yes Grin. We have decided to get married in New Zealand I did mention to him that this would be inconvenient for my mum and sister, as they had literally just left New Zealand, and I assumed they would not be coming. Same with most of my Spanish friends: the economy and job market there is dire, most of my friends are struggling and I did not even contemplate any of them paying for a trip to New Zealand to see me getting married. So initially, and as we are both pretty relaxed about it, I suggested to just take a couple of friends each and get married as soon as we got the licence, and then go celebrate in our favorite restaurant. Next time we went to Spain we could have a party there.So, that was the plan.

When I called my family to give them the news, they were absolutely overjoyed! To our great surprise, many of them have pleaded with us to delay the ceremony, because they would absolutely love to be here and need time to save and organize holidays. My sister declared that she would be here even if she had to take a plane the following day. Many of my friends have surprised me by saying the same thing! They can't guarantee they will make it, but many will do all in their hands to be here.

I was really touched and teary over this show of love from my family and friends, and my DP and I agreed to delay the wedding for a year. We have decided to do a very low-key ceremony, wedding at the beach, no dressing rules, absolutely no presents (if anyone wants to contribute to the wedding, they are welcome to take photos/help with decorating/sing/play an instrument... whatever, but no spending money), and a barbecue instead of a banquet. DP and I have already booked a whole adventure centre for everyone to stay for the weekend, in the middle of a forest, and just a short stroll to the beach. There is a playground and obstacle/adventure courses for kids and not-so-kids to have fun. At night, if the weather helps, we can go to the beach, light a big fire and drink and have fun together. Both accommodation and food and drinks will be covered by DP and I.

So, family and friends have started planning how to organize their trips. Most of them are turning this trip into a holiday, as it would be silly to do a 30-hour (one-way) trip to New Zealand only for a weekend, and DP and I are more than happy to help them organize everything from here (accommodation, car rentals, advice of places to see and things to do...). My sister is coming with her DP and they will be renting a campervan after the wedding. One of my aunties is actually organizing a 3-week trip with some of her friends, and we have told her that her friends are also welcome to come to the wedding if they so wish.

My mum, on the other hand, is trying to put pressure on me. "You know I don't speak the language and I would be very dependent on you", she said on the phone last time I spoke to her... "I can't go for just a weekend, what would I do after that?". Well... there are many things she could do after that... my auntie has definitely let her know she would be welcome to join her group for the tour of New Zealand. She could come with my dad and rent a caravan (both of them drive). She could join an organized trip. But what she really wants is to stay with us and for us to take her to places after the wedding and be her hosts.

And to be perfectly honest, I don't want to. Last Christmas I had time to "mentalize" myself before she was here, I took 3 weeks holiday just to be with her and spend the three weeks making her happy. My sister did enjoy the trip, but lost her patience with mum many, many times over her controlling and demanding ways. We had to go wherever mum wanted, do the things she wanted to do, stay at the places she chose, she would question my ability to drive in New Zealand, my understanding of English (she doesn't speak a word of English, and I have been living and working in English-speaking countries for 10 years... but she would not trust me to tell her what was written on signs, or what other people were saying!!!), she would tell me off for "letting DP do the dishes" instead of doing them myself... a million of tiny annoying things. But it was ok, it was her holiday and I took it in and smiled for the whole 3 weeks.

But I don't want to have to do this again after our wedding. We still don't even know whether we will take a week to have a short "honeymoon" or not, but even if not, I will want to spend some time alone with my new husband, enjoying the happy "just married" feeling and having hot sex in every room of the house. I don't want anyone else in our house, especially not someone who will be annoying and making us feel uncomfortable in our own place. No one else has assumed we have to "take care of them" in New Zealand after the wedding.

However, I don't know whether this would be expected of us or not. Am I being selfish in not offering my mum to stay with us after the wedding? What would you do if you were in our situation? Is it normal to ask the bride and groom to "provide accommodation and care" for guests after the wedding, when the wedding is far away?

I am ready to be enlightened by the wisdom of MN :)

OP posts:
DrowninginDuplo · 03/03/2012 21:38

No is a complete sentence.

Wow first use of mn phrase

IUseTooMuchKitchenRoll · 03/03/2012 21:38

You are not being selfish at all. I would get your sister and your Aunt to drop massive hints to your Mum, or just tell her outright, that staying with a newlywed couple is just not the done thing.

hathorinareddress · 03/03/2012 21:42

no mum

no mum

no mum

no mum

no mum

no mum

no mum

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ad infinitum

HumphreyCobbler · 03/03/2012 21:43

YANBU

She has MANY other options, persuade her to take one of those.

Your wedding sounds lovely, I wish I was your friend Smile

Elderberries · 03/03/2012 21:48

What they said

diamondsagirlsbestfriend · 03/03/2012 21:49

Congratulations about your engagement, New Zealand is an amazing place to get married.

But seriously tell your mum No and that she has plenty of other options, and she needs to choose another one

Nanny0gg · 03/03/2012 21:51

It's your honeymoon, she has other options. A gentle but very firm 'no' is required.

And I agree, I think your arrangements sound wonderful.

Have a lovely time.

(And stick to your guns!)

squeakytoy · 03/03/2012 21:53

Just say no.. in fact tell her you are going away for a honeymoon!

And I also have to compliment your english. It is excellent for someone who is not a native english speaker. :)

Congrats on your wedding too. :)

WhereYouLeftIt · 03/03/2012 21:53

"Am I being selfish in not offering my mum to stay with us after the wedding?"
Absolutely not. She is being selfish in expecting you to.

" What would you do if you were in our situation?"
Arrange with my aunt to put pressure on your mum to join her and her friends.

" Is it normal to ask the bride and groom to "provide accommodation and care" for guests after the wedding, when the wedding is far away?"
No. Never ever. On no planet.

Napdamnyou · 03/03/2012 21:54

You sound lovely, your wedding plans sound lovely and your family and friends will no doubt have a wonderful time.

Your mum is being very silly.

Rope your family and friends into looking after her and of course YANBU.

Congratulations on your engagement!

scarletforya · 03/03/2012 21:57

You know I don't speak the language and I would be very dependent on you", she said on the phone last time I spoke to her... "I can't go for just a weekend, what would I do after that?

Reply with; I don't know Mam, but we'll be on out honey moon and you wouldn't want to be a gooseberry would you?

Be really clear that her plan won't be happening but try to keep it humorous. If she gets offended, well, she gets offended.

iFailedTheTuringTest · 03/03/2012 21:58

YANBU

Does she remember what newlyweds do on honeymoon?
Does she really, I mean really want to be staying with her newlywed daughter?

Tell her no
And remind her of the above honeymoon fact

ImperialBlether · 03/03/2012 21:58

I agree with the others; it's ridiculous that you should entertain her.

HOWEVER.

I think in your position you should return to Spain to marry. Why should everyone have to pay to go to NZ for the wedding when they won't see you again for a long time? It's different for his family - they are having the benefit of seeing you regularly when you are back in NZ. His family and friends should travel!

MrsMumf · 03/03/2012 21:59

YANBU. Have a lovely time Smile

Inertia · 03/03/2012 22:02

Congratulations!

YANBU. Tell her you will be going away for a honeymoon, even if you have not booked anything yet.

The response to "I would be very dependent on you" is "we won't be around after the wedding, why not team up with Auntie Gertie (or whoever)".

GodisaDj · 03/03/2012 22:04

YANBU

Could you not speak to your sister and/or Aunt and ask them to casually drop in that you and your husband would want your own space after the wedding?

If still no change, I would just say no mum, we want to be on out own so you will have to make your own accommodation arrangements.

Congratulations btw. Your wedding sounds lovely too Smile

Eglu · 03/03/2012 22:05

YANBU Your Mum is being absolutely unreasonable. Even without the story of her being a pain last time she visited. Even if you got on with her really well, staying after the wedding is ridiculous.

Bobyan · 03/03/2012 22:09

Your wedding sounds amazing - tell your Mum not to bother and invite me instead Smile

aurynne · 03/03/2012 22:16

Phew, I was holding my breath here! :). Thank you for your responses, I was starting to think I was an ungrateful daughter!

ImperialBlether, there are many reasons I don't want to get married in Spain:

  • Weddings in Spain are very traditional and usually organized by the bride's parents. My mum would want a catholic wedding (neither my DP nor I are religious), she would want to invite every single person that she ever knew or invited her to their wedding (we want a small one only with close friends and family), she would want a church wedding followed by formal banquet in an upmarket restaurant, and as the "organizer" she would take control of absolutely everything.
  • I have recently left my job to go back to Uni, and the course I have chosen is an intensive one... the only period we have for holidays is December and January. If we wanted to organize a wedding in Spain it would have to be in winter! While Dec-Jan is Summer in New Zealand.
  • In Spain you only have two options as of where to get married: church or registry. As we are not religious, we don't want a church. Registry offices in Spain are the ugliest, most depressing places. In New Zealand you can choose where to marry, you just need a marriage celebrant to come with you. People get married at the top of mountains, in beaches, in your house garden... we would love our wedding to be in a place that is special for us, and that we can visit whenever we want.
  • Friends and family are pressured in Spain to "conform" to the social rules in weddings. The pressure to buy an expensive present to the bride and groom, spend hundreds of euros in formal dresses, hair-dressers, make-up, etc, is enormous... It would mean they would probably spend much more money than coming to New Zealand, and without the chance for the holiday :)
  • All my friends are like us: they don't like formalities, they don't like dressing up, they love nature and the outdoors. New Zealand is the perfect place to organize a wedding like this.
  • In New Zealand you can write your own vows, and the marriage celebrants help turn your wedding into something that is significant to the bride and the groom, not something that has been written in a piece of paper by a bishop/politician.

I am sure I could find some more :)

OP posts:
ArielNonBio · 03/03/2012 22:19

You sound great, your sister sounds great, your wedding and DP sound great, NZ sounds great, your English is great. I want to come to your wedding! Grin

YANBU. No no no no no no no no! You must find a way to tell her. You'll be a newlywed ffs!

cocolepew · 03/03/2012 22:20

Congratulations Smile

Just say no, and can I come? It sounds lovely Envy

cutegorilla · 03/03/2012 22:26

You sound lovely, and your wedding sounds lovely :), and YANBU.

thinneratforty · 03/03/2012 22:30

As someone whose mother turned up the day after her wedding with uncle, aunt and grandmother in tow and then expected to be entertained all day and have all meals cooked and served to them, YANBU. Okay for me it was just one day, but it was the day after my wedding and we couldn't afford a honeymoon and I was back at work the day after. All I wanted was one day, in bed with my new husband, preferably in bed. It was ruined and I've not forgiven her. Don't let your mum ruin your honeymoon period.

runningwilde · 03/03/2012 22:31

If people chose to come to your wedding it is up to them to arrange their accommodation. Yanbu at all so say NO!

Rhubarbgarden · 03/03/2012 22:47

Yanbu! My BIL wanted to stay with us for the weekend after our wedding and had a complete hissy fit when I said no. Dh ended up paying for him to stay in a nearby hotel. It made me really angry and I still haven't forgiven him.