To think that the logical conclusion of conservatism is nazism?

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It seems to be a survival of the fittest ideology. I understand that I am being a bit simplistic so please could someone correct me if I am wrong and tell me what conservatism really stands for.
Also if you vote conservative how can you sleep at night why?

Come to the East Midlands also. The 'south' can keep the government, I'm happy to be a Scot.

Only on Mumsnet would someone project Conservatism as Nazism. I might have to take this thread to Reddit.

It's an old cliche. Torys are Nazis and Labour is a bunch of Stalinists... All a bit silly and out-dated.

Logic refers, essentially, to logos, word. The word conservatism can never logically mean nazism. Even without semantics your logic seems suspect, though.

It is like saying that socialism logically concludes in Stalinism or Maoism. I hate socialism but would not say that Ed Milliband is the road to the Gulag.

Old school Conservatism was, I think, very different to what we have now. It was about looking after society - the reason we never had a revolution was because the landowners and the aristocracy did, at least in later years, have a sense of duty and looked after their workers. That sense of duty was an important part of early Conservatism. They saw tradition as being more important than capitalism.

It all changed with Thatcher's "there is no such thing as society". Even Heath was a very different sort of Conservative to what we have today.

So no, I don't see that you can infer any sort of logical conclusion. It's an evolving party, as is Labour.

The reason we never had a revolution is because the monarchy didn't have to much power. They needed to call parliament in order to raise taxation and so were limited. Gradual change is possible in a moderated system so revolution isn't necessary. The idea that the alturism of the elite prevented social unrest is a little revisionist.

Neither the left nor the right of politics are like nazis , people who want absolute power always find a ideology with which to back it up . Which is why you will see both conservative and socialist dictators , the same goes for religion .None of the common political stances are inherently "bad" but on both sides it can be used to breed fascism , with left wing and right wing politics it just depends on the "mood" of the populace as to which method a dictator/party will use to gain control . Basically ANY political,social,religious,scientific etc. opinion can lead to "nazism" if taken to the extreme

Plus I am genuinely a bit thick

Agreed.

Having started a thread like this, it goes without saying.

Thanks for that charming and enlightening contribution, Shelly.

Rock on OP! I agree with you 100 per cent.

Well, if you're going to argue that, it could equally be argued that the logical progression from labour is nanny state leading to police state.

Extremism leads to abolutism in whichever direction you travel.

Next question?

It makes one doubt one's faith in humanity to gaze at the countless malicious and ill-informed commentary which passes off as credible argument here; there's plenty of stuff which might as well be part of an anthology of Nazi apologetics if not deliberate defamation of what is commonly recognized as the far left; Hitler was not by any stretch of the imagination far-left, that is an absurd claim, National socialism was in fact a rhetorical flourish, it served the interests of big corporations and the military-industrial complex in Germany, it wasn't a proletariat movement by any means, you'd have to be tripping on PCP to think that.

Haven't had this conversation since the 6th form common room in 1986. I feel young again.

Nazism and animal farm seem to sum up conservatism quite nicely:

• Cutting help/benefits for disabled people
• Cutting help/benefits for those who care for disabled people so they have to return to work even if the person they care for needs 24/7 care
• They use you while you're fit and able then cast you aside when you can no longer contribute
• They target the people they perceive to be weaker/don't contribute as much/less able to stand up for themselves

Would never vote conservative think you'll find that most of our problems stem from Maggy Thatcher after all

Ooh, the Thatcher argument, now I really am back in A Level Politics! I will remind all my dead Iraqi friends of that, after all Thatcher invaded Iraq, not Blair...

MaryJane, will you stop bumping zombie threads?

Is this an A level research project?

I like this thread, it's really funny.

Nazism resulted in the deaths of millions, through extermination camps where children, women and men who were Jews, Communists, gay, Romany, disabled were killed by a systematic machine. It also resulted in the deaths of thousands in the countries that they invaded, especially the populations in the East who the Nazis regarded as sub human.

To debase the sufferring that millions went through for some trite internet argument is disgusting.

Just seen that it is a zombie thread, still pissed off though.

What's wrong with bumping an old but interesting thread?

At least it saves people posting comments like 'Oh this has been done before, you should have done a search before posting your thoughts, I'm not going to bother to answer'.

You can't win on the internet!

On what basis, and what is your definition of conservatism? Is it the Conservative ideology, capital C? Or general conservatism, as said upstairs, conservatism is just wanting to conserve the status quo?

It's not interesting it is absolutely ridiculous and should be treated as a fun thread to have a bit of banter. If you even a tiny bit give it any credence, maybe you need to get back to your homework.

'Nazism resulted in the deaths of millions, through extermination camps where children, women and men who were Jews, Communists, gay, Romany, disabled were killed by a systematic machine. It also resulted in the deaths of thousands in the countries that they invaded, especially the populations in the East who the Nazis regarded as sub human. '

In fact, very similar to the USSR under Stalin. Who was not a Nazi.