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AIBU?

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to think my friend is being thoughtless and insensitive AGAIN?

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emeraldgirl1 · 15/02/2012 12:38

This is my oldest friend, who I've seen through many a crisis including her recent marriage break-up. (I say I've seen her through a crisis rather than we've seen each other through crises because she has a habit of being, frankly, a bit shit when other people have crises such as when my DH lost his job a couple of years ago and she couldn't have been less of a shoulder to cry on!!!)

Briefly, she has a LOT of money - very wealthy family and an ex-H with an insanely well-rewarded finance job. She's not snooty or snobby about money but has always had a very unworldly view of it in that she thinks it 'doesn't matter' - I often think only people who've never had to worry about it think that! (To illustrate - she's wonderfully generous with her money, a buyer of fabulous presents for children's b'day parties etc, but gets upset when other people don't (ie can't) spend similar amounts on her child's presents, because she thinks they're being mean rather than just not being able to afford to be so generous.)

DH and I are just starting ttc for the first time, after many years of not being ready. My friend has nagged and nagged me to start ttcing for ages, ignoring my arguments for why I preferred to wait. She is a stay at home mother with just one school-age child, she has a part-time nanny and a 4 day a week cleaner and so is, understandably (!) bored and wants me to have a child so I stop work for a while and hang out with her. (Her words not mine).

In conversation the other day she started saying, now that DH and I are ttc, we should be actively trying to move house - explicitly she was asking when we were going to move to her area of London (where we couldn't afford a garden shed, almost literally). She has asked this many times before and I have told her again and again that our price range simply won't cover it, but for some reason, probably because she just can't accept that money has a value, this goes in one ear and out the other. But this time she really wouldn't let the subject drop. She started suggesting (slightly) cheaper areas (still as close to her as possible) and then started on and on about how DH and I are 'crazy' to be ttc-ing while still living in our small flat. According to her, the moment I'm pregnant I'll be 'too exhausted' to house-hunt, and then when a baby is born, I'll be too busy gazing at it (again, her words not mine). She got quite aggressive when I tried to explain why DH and I didn't think this was so vital (not saying I wouldn't LIKE to have a bigger place right now, but money is very tight and, like normal people, we just have to wait and save a bit longer) and kept saying we should 'do it anyway', and 'just ask your parents for help if you have to'.

To compound all this, when I said (trying to inject a dose of reality into the situation) that part of our reason for being so cautious about what we can afford to move into was because DH and I know that our money situation is going to change a lot with a baby (I'm self-employed so won't get any paid maternity leave; even when I start back to work, I'm assuming I'll have to work only part-time and so contribute less to our income, not to mention things like childcare etc) she got even more irritated and started saying I was being silly, 'you and DH have plenty of money for all that' (don't know where she gets that idea', 'nothing has to change, it's only one child, you can still afford to live exactly like you used to'...

AIBU to be well cheesed-off? Admittedly I'm a bit rubbish when it comes to telling this kind of person to STFU, but I was actually quite firm with her and tried to keep it all very factual (unfortunately, she's the type of person that the more you ARE firm with her, the more upset and irritated she gets). I probably should have just said something along the lines of - listen missy, not all of us are as lucky as you not to have to worry for a minutes about money, so put a sock in it - but that's just not my style. Stupidly I sat there trying to justify myself to her instead. And now I'm hopping mad, and wish I'd said something. I just don't know what. I find it so outrageous that even an old friend feels comfortable commenting on our financial situation (especially when she's just plain wrong about it), and I really do think someone who has piles of dosh should be much more sensitive about financial matters when talking to people who don't.

I know she's bored and lonely and that some of her nagging is just because she desperately wants us to move closer to her... but even if we did, I need to work (and I like my job!) and if I do have a baby, I'm not going to be able to spend hours popping for coffee and chats!!! But still, I think this is insensitive and thoughtless. It's taken me 10 years to get to a point where I think I'm mature enough to have a baby ffs - I wish she could just be happy that I've made that decision and leave it at that.

AIBU?

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PurplePidjin · 15/02/2012 12:42

YANBU, and I wonder why she has no friends with that attitude Hmm

Quietly drop her, and don't let yourself make friends with bullies in future!

TheParan0idAndr0id · 15/02/2012 12:44

yet another person with a "friend" that they don't like at all. I don't get it.

emeraldgirl1 · 15/02/2012 12:45

It's almost impossible to quietly drop her unfortunately - we've known each other for so long that her family are like a second family to me (actually I prefer her parents to her!!!) Blush. But any advice on distancing a bit would be great!

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emeraldgirl1 · 15/02/2012 12:46

ParanpodAndroid - we became friends many, many years ago and as I said just now, it's a tricky situation where I'm close to her family etc. If we met now I don't think we'd be friends at all sadly

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HexagonalQueenOfTheSummer · 15/02/2012 12:54

I would stop justifying yourself to her and keep your distance from her in future. She sounds awful.

kelly2525 · 15/02/2012 12:55

I think you need to be blunt, rather than trying to explain yourself.

Just say, I do not want to talk about our very different financial situations, we do not have the money you have, we know what we can and cant afford, so lets not discuss it further, ever.

If she gets the hump, so be it.

emeraldgirl1 · 15/02/2012 13:00

kelly2525 - that's good advice. I feel annoyed with myself for making it all about my justifications - 'we'd love to BUT etc etc' when in actual fact, it was all just her being inappropriate and I should have drawn attention to that and left it there. She's the one who's way off base on this, not me. But while I was talking to her, I didn't really work that out in my head IYSWIM. I was effing miserable all that night, thinking - oh, God, I'm such an idiot, I haven't even got a proper house and I'm trying to have a baby - until I woke up the next morning hopping mad!

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HexagonalQueenOfTheSummer · 15/02/2012 13:00

Kelly2525 has given good suggestions.

OP, I know how hard it is with "friends" like that; I imagine your friend is very overpowering, bossy and blunt, is she? People like that make me nervous and I hate being put on the spot. She doesn't sound like a very good friend.

HexagonalQueenOfTheSummer · 15/02/2012 13:01

Emerald, it sounds as though your "friend" has had exactly the effect on you that she wanted, I'm sorry to say.

emeraldgirl1 · 15/02/2012 13:02

Oh, and just to get a general opinion - I'm not being unreasonable, am I, to think that we'll be able to look for and buy a new place when I'm pregnant, or when I have a baby? I do know plenty of people who've done this!!!! But I'd just like opinions - DH and I aren't 'crazy' to be doing it this way round, are we? (not that it's an option, really)

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emeraldgirl1 · 15/02/2012 13:04

HexagonalQueen - yes - bossy, blunt and overpowering is just about it! I've said to DH that she's a person you can feel totally smothered by. She isn't a very good friend at all - as I say when DH lost his job, she couldn't have been less interested or concerned.

More I put it down in black and white, I think I need to distance myself as much as possible. Funny how writing something down can make you realise things are totally not right. :(

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HexagonalQueenOfTheSummer · 15/02/2012 13:04

You've said in your OP that you can't afford to move yet. Don't let pressure from her feel you have to move. but no, plenty of people have moved when pregnant or with a new baby.

emeraldgirl1 · 15/02/2012 13:07

Thanks HexagonalQueen. It can be hard to keep perspective, even when someone is saying something as stupid as 'just do it anyway' about doubling your mortgage!!!

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HexagonalQueenOfTheSummer · 15/02/2012 13:08

I did a post the other day about falling out with a friend, Emerald, and although she's not wealthy, the way you have described your friend is my friend to a tee. We ended up having an out and out row as I was fed up with her constant bosiness, put downs, "honest" opinions and constantly pressuring me into doing things or trying to make me justify myself.

If you think your friendship could survive it and you want to continue with the friendship, I would take her to task over her attitude and tackle her when she next starts getting on to you. You could say something like "I think it's really rude and nosey the way you keep telling me what we can afford". If she doesn't like it, tough! If it's ok for her to say what she thinks then she needs to realise it's ok for you to say what you think, too.

If you want to end the friendship with her then I would just cut contact.

SoftKittyWarmKitty · 15/02/2012 13:10

I don't understand why you even told her you were TTC. Is that what people do these days - announce that they are TTC?

Just tell her straight that you don't want to discuss finances as your DH is the only person you discuss family financial issues with, then change the subject. About moving "We are not looking to move right now" should cover it. You need to nip this in the bud now I think, because once you're pg her insistence will only get worse.

IHaveAFeatureWallAndILikeIt · 15/02/2012 13:10

Don't feel bad about raising a baby in a flat. We live in a flat and from what I can tell my toddler doesn't mind :-) I think you need to gradually drop her, shes not a friend if she makes you feel that upset over something that isn't a problem!

kelly2525 · 15/02/2012 13:11

I do think blunt is the way to go, and dont worry about offending her, I`ve got one or two friends that always like to keep the peace, and never speak up.

Unfortunately Im the opposite, (a bit of a gobshite) which can get me into trouble, but is quite useful for shutting people up midflow (grin)

Be assertive, you can do it, its not like youre telling her to fuck off, youre telling her to stop interfering.

Spero · 15/02/2012 13:13

Agree with Kelly - she clearly isn't listening and can't or won't understand. So just be clear and simple and keep repeating yourself until she shuts up.

emeraldgirl1 · 15/02/2012 13:14

SoftKittyWarmKitty (love your name, love Big Bang theory!!) - I told her I was TTC because she's been asking, pretty much once a month for the past 5 years, when we're going to start TTC, why we're not starting TTC etc etc... I regret, of course, that I ever said anything! I blame the glass of wine I drank at the start of dinner (also probably a bad idea, given the whole TTC thing... Blush)

HexagonalQueen - thanks again - I'll go and find your other post. Yes, I find 'honest' opinions, when they're nothing more than thoughtless judgement, to be very hard to take. Particularly when, in the case of this friend, I have never offered anything like so 'honest' an opinion on the things she does in her life - divorce, using her son as a pawn with ex-H, etc etc. I have given very careful opinions and been very careful to keep the judgement side of it to myself as I don't think it's helpful to people when they're having a hard time

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emeraldgirl1 · 15/02/2012 13:16

kelly2525 - thanks again. It may not be so much a question of me being able to do it as me having to do it!!

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Proudnscary · 15/02/2012 13:21

I don't believe she 'doesn't know the value or care about money'.

She cares very much about money - and even more about implicitly telling other people how much money she's got and (not very subtly) belitting people who don't!

Unless she is in possession of ten or less brain cells, of course she understands you can't move into her affluent area. It just makes her feel smug to keep hearing you say it.

GoingForGoalWeight · 15/02/2012 13:29

Money wise you are both hold very different values. I hope jealous of her OP. I'm happy for my wealthy friend. Just tell her your personal decisions about TTC, financial situation or where you live are simply not up for discussion. Change the subject and repeat like a broken record. If you lose her, as a friend so be it! Yu'll both learn and find ther friends eventually.

HexagonalQueenOfTheSummer · 15/02/2012 13:29

Proudnscary has a good point too.

GoingForGoalWeight · 15/02/2012 13:30

*I hope you are not jealous of her OP. That'd be a sham.

Sticky keyboard.

barbigirl · 15/02/2012 13:30

Rich people love to lord it over poorer people. End of. Some do it under a mask of concern but the subtext is always 'I'm richer than you' .

Then, if you moan about it, you get told it's envy and you should be content with what you have.

So- find the thing you can lord it over her about- presumably being happily married? And just lord lord lord under the pretext of offering tactful advice.