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AIBU?

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to think my friend is being thoughtless and insensitive AGAIN?

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emeraldgirl1 · 15/02/2012 12:38

This is my oldest friend, who I've seen through many a crisis including her recent marriage break-up. (I say I've seen her through a crisis rather than we've seen each other through crises because she has a habit of being, frankly, a bit shit when other people have crises such as when my DH lost his job a couple of years ago and she couldn't have been less of a shoulder to cry on!!!)

Briefly, she has a LOT of money - very wealthy family and an ex-H with an insanely well-rewarded finance job. She's not snooty or snobby about money but has always had a very unworldly view of it in that she thinks it 'doesn't matter' - I often think only people who've never had to worry about it think that! (To illustrate - she's wonderfully generous with her money, a buyer of fabulous presents for children's b'day parties etc, but gets upset when other people don't (ie can't) spend similar amounts on her child's presents, because she thinks they're being mean rather than just not being able to afford to be so generous.)

DH and I are just starting ttc for the first time, after many years of not being ready. My friend has nagged and nagged me to start ttcing for ages, ignoring my arguments for why I preferred to wait. She is a stay at home mother with just one school-age child, she has a part-time nanny and a 4 day a week cleaner and so is, understandably (!) bored and wants me to have a child so I stop work for a while and hang out with her. (Her words not mine).

In conversation the other day she started saying, now that DH and I are ttc, we should be actively trying to move house - explicitly she was asking when we were going to move to her area of London (where we couldn't afford a garden shed, almost literally). She has asked this many times before and I have told her again and again that our price range simply won't cover it, but for some reason, probably because she just can't accept that money has a value, this goes in one ear and out the other. But this time she really wouldn't let the subject drop. She started suggesting (slightly) cheaper areas (still as close to her as possible) and then started on and on about how DH and I are 'crazy' to be ttc-ing while still living in our small flat. According to her, the moment I'm pregnant I'll be 'too exhausted' to house-hunt, and then when a baby is born, I'll be too busy gazing at it (again, her words not mine). She got quite aggressive when I tried to explain why DH and I didn't think this was so vital (not saying I wouldn't LIKE to have a bigger place right now, but money is very tight and, like normal people, we just have to wait and save a bit longer) and kept saying we should 'do it anyway', and 'just ask your parents for help if you have to'.

To compound all this, when I said (trying to inject a dose of reality into the situation) that part of our reason for being so cautious about what we can afford to move into was because DH and I know that our money situation is going to change a lot with a baby (I'm self-employed so won't get any paid maternity leave; even when I start back to work, I'm assuming I'll have to work only part-time and so contribute less to our income, not to mention things like childcare etc) she got even more irritated and started saying I was being silly, 'you and DH have plenty of money for all that' (don't know where she gets that idea', 'nothing has to change, it's only one child, you can still afford to live exactly like you used to'...

AIBU to be well cheesed-off? Admittedly I'm a bit rubbish when it comes to telling this kind of person to STFU, but I was actually quite firm with her and tried to keep it all very factual (unfortunately, she's the type of person that the more you ARE firm with her, the more upset and irritated she gets). I probably should have just said something along the lines of - listen missy, not all of us are as lucky as you not to have to worry for a minutes about money, so put a sock in it - but that's just not my style. Stupidly I sat there trying to justify myself to her instead. And now I'm hopping mad, and wish I'd said something. I just don't know what. I find it so outrageous that even an old friend feels comfortable commenting on our financial situation (especially when she's just plain wrong about it), and I really do think someone who has piles of dosh should be much more sensitive about financial matters when talking to people who don't.

I know she's bored and lonely and that some of her nagging is just because she desperately wants us to move closer to her... but even if we did, I need to work (and I like my job!) and if I do have a baby, I'm not going to be able to spend hours popping for coffee and chats!!! But still, I think this is insensitive and thoughtless. It's taken me 10 years to get to a point where I think I'm mature enough to have a baby ffs - I wish she could just be happy that I've made that decision and leave it at that.

AIBU?

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GoingForGoalWeight · 15/02/2012 13:30

*shame Angry

GoingForGoalWeight · 15/02/2012 13:32

I've never met rich people who lord it over me! Some do some don't, i guess.

HexagonalQueenOfTheSummer · 15/02/2012 13:33

I don't think the OP has come across as being jealous at all, GoalWeight.

GoingForGoalWeight · 15/02/2012 13:35

I said i hope!

Cherriesarelovely · 15/02/2012 13:38

I don't mean to be unkind but sometimes you have to be blunt to get people off your back! For example saying to her "our lives don't actually revolve around you. If you are bored, how about getting a job" etc. She probably will be upset and it will be uncomfortable for a while but then either you will work it out or she will not contact you.

I DO know this is so much easier said than done but I had a situation a little bit like this earlier this year and in the end I was just honest about how i felt. It was excruciating at the time as I hate confrontation but things needed to be said and Idecided I actually wasn't being that good of a friend by pretending to agree with things she said anyway! Sadly, we are not friends now but I realise with the benefit of hindsight that we were growing apart for a long time and that this was going to happen sooner or later.

HexagonalQueenOfTheSummer · 15/02/2012 13:39

But why mention jealousy? She hasn't said she's jealous nor has she given any indication that she might be. Why is it whenever anyone on here mentions someone having more than them, it is assumed by some that they are jealous? There really was no need for you to even say that to her.

emeraldgirl1 · 15/02/2012 13:39

GoingForGoalWeight - no, no, not jealous of her at all!! Not because I'm some paragon who doesn't get jealous but because people who have inherited or married wealth aren't what might make me jealous. (Much more likely to be envious of someone who's made a huge success of their career, especially if it's similar to mine!) Besides, I've known her for long enough to know that money really doesn't buy you happiness, so jealousy just isn't on the radar here. Finding her a bossy, overpowering pain in the bum, however, is!!

barbigirl - hmmm - hadn't thought about doing a bit of lording of my own Wink. Actually, I'm a rubbish lorder. My mum did it to people every waking moment so I cringe when I see it being done.

In all honesty, I'm not sure my friend is lording - I think she's so narcissistic that she just sees the world the way she wants to see it, and what she wants is for me to live closer to her so she can dominate my time. The small issue of money isn't something she wants to get in the way of her vision, as then she might have to acknowledge that it's an unreasonable vision!!

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HexagonalQueenOfTheSummer · 15/02/2012 13:39

Above post was aimed at GoalWeight

cory · 15/02/2012 13:46

The conversation you mention, OP, reminds me of some conversations that I've had with my mother (whom I love dearly and have no intention of distancing myself from). I've found there is simply not point in trying to change her mind with factual arguments; it ends up with nothing resolved and her upset over my unkindness. What does work is a light (and perhaps slightly patronising) laugh and a change of subject matter.

Interestingly, these conversations also seem to be triggered by my mum's need to have me closer, so her need of me. Which is probably why facts are never going to help: if she feels she needs me, then she does feel that way; reading my bank statement or getting a complete break-down of my employment chances wouldn't make any difference. A hug to acknowledge her feelings and a quick change of subject works better.

EverybodysSnowyEyed · 15/02/2012 13:50

Firstly - baby in a flat - no problem

Secondly - we put our flat on the market when I was 6m pregnant, completed when baby 1m old, moved into rented and completed on new place 6m later

Thirdly - she is not your friend - lose her quick!

emeraldgirl1 · 15/02/2012 13:50

Cory - that is interesting, thank you! I agree, there are some people who just can't hear what they don't want to hear. Change of subject has been my method in the past whenever my friend drags me onto this subject - it usually works but occaisonally (if she's got nothing dramatic going on in her life) there's no other subject she's prepared to be dragged onto!!

I think the sad thing is that I'm aware we have very little in common now and that unless we're discussing one of her dramas, there's nothing really to talk about. Hence why this subject rears its head occasionally.

I think a patronising laugh might work wonders, though...

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barbigirl · 15/02/2012 13:51

That said- I am always banging on at people to move close to me. It doesn't bother me if they can afford it- I just want my mates nearby!
Good luck TTC BTW. And don't worry about the flat thing.

emeraldgirl1 · 15/02/2012 13:52

Thanks EverybodysSnowyEyed. It's good to hear the impossible can be achieved Wink

In all honesty, I have friends who have done just like you have done and they are some of the happiest families and most impressive women I know! I don't know why I even entertained my friend's nonsense about this for a moment.

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EverybodysSnowyEyed · 15/02/2012 13:59

DH called it a severe form of nesting!

It's really important you choose to live in the right area for you - no point living somewhere that you only know one person and hardly know the area!

heavydutyjudy · 15/02/2012 14:01

emerald we stayed in our one bedroom flat until DS was 18 months when we finally sold the flat, moved into rented last september and will no doubt move again in the next year or so when we buy again...all of it was absolutely fine. All of my friends and family with kids had planned ahead and got houses, but we did what was best for us.

HexagonalQueenOfTheSummer · 15/02/2012 14:03

I know someone that has 3 children and now has a 2 bedroomed home but they had a one bedroom house for quite a while with all 3! And they managed fine! My friend and her DH slept in their (small) conservatory on a sofabed whilst the DC shared the bedroom. Anything is possible really!

justanuthermanicmumsday · 15/02/2012 14:12

i dn't thik you should move unless you are very certain its affordable. as for moving whilst pregnant or with a newborn. moving house is one of the most stressful things people do in life, ive moved 4 times and it is very hard. i was pregnant with one move, and i had just given birth after another. if its avoidable move months after the birth or in the early days of pregnancy to make it easier.

misslinnet · 15/02/2012 14:12

YANBU to be cheesed off.

Your friend is being unreasonable for being so insistent that you move near her, and for failing to listen when you told her you couldn't afford to. Not that your finances are any of her business.

Okay, it may be easier to find a new property and move without a baby, but plenty of people manage it without major problems.
It's a much bigger problem to move house if you can't afford to. Babies can be expensive enough without moving into somewhere bigger!

iwantbrie · 15/02/2012 14:17

Being a bit patronising and refusing (nicely) to discuss it seems like the way to go.
Me & DH have househunted twice while i've been pregnant, once with our eldest (after which we said never again!) and while I've been pg this time (again, never again!!). It can be pretty tiring getting everything sorted and it seems like the place will never be ready for us to move into but then again moving house isn't generally easy anyway is it?

iwanttogetoffnow · 15/02/2012 14:56

Hubby and I lived in a 1 bed upstairs flat then found we were expecting. TWINS!! We stayed in the same flat until they were 2 yrs 3 mths as coludn't get high enough morgage to upgrade. Then moved into a 2 bedroom ground floor flat with a small garden. It can be done. Boys now 3 yrs 5mths and one has autism still in love with our new flat. The best bit is no stairs.

Good luck emerald
You do NOT need a friend like that.
Thinking of it maybe move further away if property cheaper elsewhere???Wink

emeraldgirl1 · 15/02/2012 15:03

iwanttogetoffnow - yes, am honestly thinking of moving FURTHER AWAY (not closer!) and not just because property would be cheaper... this is why I should say something to my friend because in all honesty, she does end up pushing people away because of this kind of thing. I think people (not just me) find it hard to cope with the high-maintenance demands

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Floggingmolly · 15/02/2012 15:08

You're cheesed off? That sounds so ridiculously mild when faced with a "friend" trying to control your life Hmm. Drop her and learn not to listen to bored people organising your life for their own amusement.

Firawla · 15/02/2012 15:10

nothng wrong with having a baby in a flat
nothing wrong with househunting and moving while pregnant or with the baby

she sounds really pushy! i think you will have to be blunt with her if she keeps it up, she seems a bit strange. i understand suggesting people to move near if they are looking but once they say no you have to accept & drop it!

BeamMysterious · 15/02/2012 15:15

If she was my friend I would be ignoring all the house moving conversations, and steer her towards finding something fulfilling to do with all her spare time.

If she has one school age child and a nanny, what does she do all day? It sounds like she's depending on you to provide her with entertainment.

Perhaps you could gently suggests she makes more friends? Or maybe finds a job (maybe a voluntary role as she has no money issues?)

WorraLiberty · 15/02/2012 15:16

It shouldn't be too hard to drop her if you sit her down and tell her exactly how ignorant she is.

She'll probably take it to heart and drop you.

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