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To think this scumbag "mother" should have her child taken from her?

142 replies

HungryHelga · 01/02/2012 01:25

Woman licks methadone from the pavement in Scotland as her child looks on.

This disgusts me. How can anyone have so little self-respect to do this, and with her child there as well?

OP posts:
Doyouthinktheysaurus · 01/02/2012 04:07

Very sad picture.

I don't feel the poor woman should be judged at all. Heroin withdrawal is horrid. From my limited (years ago) experience of working with addicts, that woman would have been unlikely to be able to get a repeat prescription due to people abusing the system so what options has she got?

That is the action of a clearly desperate person, and I think she needs commending for trying to get off heroin, not judging.

What an awful society we live in, that someone felt the need to take a picture and send it to the papersSad

EdithWeston · 01/02/2012 06:59

Something wrong with this story.

You have to take methadone on the premises; you never get any to take away.

Does this newspaper have a track record of inaccurate sensationalism?

HillyWallaby · 01/02/2012 07:04

I won't judge the woman for struggling with heroin withdrawal, and I applaud her for trying to get off heroin.

However, I WILL judge her for being a heroin addict in the first place, and for either

a) getting PG and having a child knowing full well she was drug dependent or,
b) being stupid enough to get involved in hard drugs when she already had a small child to care for.

Whichever.

I will always judge in circumstances like that. If that makes me lacking in compassion then so be it.

DesperatelySeekingSedatives · 01/02/2012 07:15

Presuming this lady was actually licking Methodone off the pavement, I feel very, very sorry for her rather than disgusted- she is obviously in a very bad place. I've known a few addicts in my time and an addiction this strong does strip you of self-respect. It's a tragic waste of life rather than disgusting.

Try a little humility OP.

DesperatelySeekingSedatives · 01/02/2012 07:20

Btw I think the comments underneath the story you linked to are far more disgusting.

Magneto · 01/02/2012 07:25

While i don't agree with the let's all point and laugh mentality of the article, people should be disgusted by the picture. Maybe it could help stop another person becoming addicted?

HillyWallaby · 01/02/2012 08:03

Well that is my point really Magneto. I am not heartless or naive about how people get like this, but too much compassion and understanding is a bit patronising and just absolves them of any sense of personal responsibility.

Bloodymary · 01/02/2012 08:11

Very, very sad picture, tho how do we really know that it was a weeks worth of methadone?
I know Scotland may be different, but in England you are given your meth. daily, and have to drink it in front of the pharmasist (sp); if addicts take it away with them, they are very likely to sell it in order to buy heroin.

In fact as someone said up post, how do we not know that she is not searching for a lost contact lens? All three of them look clean, tidy and well kept.

HillyWallaby · 01/02/2012 08:21

I (sort of) know someone who is a reformed heroin addict and so is her exP. On the face of things, she is now a model citizen and a loving mother, except that she is jobless and benefit dependent, and her boundaries are still chaotic. Her deep love for them hasn't been enough to keep her and her exP out of prison when the DCs were young, to keep them from running away from home and actually sparking a police hunt for a couple of days when they were in primary school, both her DSs having criminal records and at least one of them to my knowledge being school refuser with no qualifications to speak of, and currently assigned to a young offenders probation officer, and spends all day long hanging around outside Mcdonalds with a bunch of losers and mouthing off on facebook about how much he 'hates the feds'. Hmm Oh yes, and her DD decided to have a baby at 15.

They do not live in a deprived area ravaged by Thatcher - they live somewhere where life has always been relatively comfortable and easy, and they have a decent clean home in a safe town, courtesy of the state. They may have stood a chance of a decent future. As it is, they sound like their lives won't be that much different to hers - hopefully without the heroin, but as at least one of them to my knowledge is already completely obsessed with vodka and very strong cannabis, who knows?

But I suppose it's the government's fault. Hmm

NormanTebbit · 01/02/2012 08:29

Daily Record do this from time to time. There was an awful one where a father had passed out after taking heroin in the doorway of a black of flats. It was a freezing November day, toddler had eventually lain down to sleep cuddled against sad and a tiny baby was screaming in a buggy.
Sad

LaurieFairyCake · 01/02/2012 08:42

Yabu

Instead we should have every help possible aimed at this sad situation - drug rehab, housing help etc.

Yes, it will cost a fair bit in taxes to actually raise people out of drug dependancy but it is worth it.

Certainly cheaper than taking all the addicted people's children into care - at a cost to the taxpayer of £4500 per week.

skippy84 · 01/02/2012 08:44

In the interest of clarity you can be signed off by your doctor to receive a weekly supply of methadone if he accesses you as stable enough in your recovery. That article is nonetheless disgusting and exploitative

ItWasABoojum · 01/02/2012 08:46

Does this newspaper have a track record of inaccurate sensationalism?

Yes. It has so far ruined the privacy and dignity of two of my family members in its rush to get its hands on a good story. It's a disgusting publication.

NormanTebbit · 01/02/2012 08:58

Daily record is shocking.

I don't think current drugs policy is working at all to alleviate the terrible problems caused to society: family breakdown, ill health, crime.

It's a public health issue, not a crominal one, and should be treated as such. People should be able to take heroin supplied by their GP. People should be given support too.

The current situation is appalling.

GeekCool · 01/02/2012 09:11

The Daily record wouldn't know journalism if it bit them on the arse. This is shocking and disgusting and makes me sad :(

If the pic/story ARE true, this lady is trying to get her life back together. She is trying. And yet, we have a story and comments smashing her attempts to pieces.
Hilly - I know you want to sound compassionate, but in all honesty you don't.

The comment about kicking her under the article makes me Angry

theincredibequeenofwands · 01/02/2012 09:20

If it is true (and we don't know that it is) then the woman in question deserves our respect for making the effort to beat her addiction.

She clearly needed the methadone. It was on the pavement. She did what she needed to do.

Honeydragon · 01/02/2012 09:23

The person who took the picture and sold it to the paper.....classy.

QuintessentialyHollow · 01/02/2012 09:28

When we were in India, the poor got their rice dished out straight on to the pavement in the morning, and ate direct from the pavement. I used to witness this when buying eggs and milk for breakfast. The dairy stall was next to the "compound" (metal fenced off area by the road side) where the homeless slept.

Needs must. Sad

nailak · 01/02/2012 09:35

i know someone on methadone, and they used to take it at the pharmacy, but after tests had shown he had been off heroin for a certain amount of time he was allowed to take methadone home, big bottles of the stuff.

i doubt they would have given her a repeat prescription.

hopefully her dd will learn that it is possible to be in a bad situation, but turn yourself around.

AKissIsNotAContract · 01/02/2012 09:36

She must have an extremely long tongue if she's licking the pavement in that picture Hmm

D0oinMeCleanin · 01/02/2012 09:44

That poor woman Sad

You know it's possible she was picking up the glass/trying to salvage what was left in the bottom of the glass rather than licking it off the pavement, if not like the above poster pointed out she has an extremely long tongue, but don't let common sense stop you judging will you, Op?

Miette · 01/02/2012 09:44

The child could belong to the other woman. They all look clean and appropriately dressed. Look how white the woman's trousers are. No reason to think she could not care for a child properly. She could have fallen over and that is what the picture is.

D0oinMeCleanin · 01/02/2012 09:57

That 'news' paper looks like a down market version of the Daily Fail Shock Was written especially for viewers of Jeremy Kyle who struggle to comprehend the shite that the Fail prints?

Why on earth were you reading it OP?

LineRunner · 01/02/2012 10:01

Sorry Hilly, I posted and then went to bed. What skippy84 said about methadone precriptions. But I share your scepticism about the article.

duckdodgers · 01/02/2012 10:04

You have to take methadone on the premises; you never get any to take away.

Sorry you are wrong, addicts can and do get methadone to take away e.g days pharmacy is closed, holidays etc.