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PooGate and Judgey Pants up to my armpits

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SurroundedByPlasticCrap · 17/01/2012 17:51

Have namechanged because it's going to be pretty clear who I am.

Went to softplay this morning with my kids, dd4 and ds2. It's a preschool session so it's cheap and not very busy. It's a small family run place with an area round the back for toddlers/babies, a big area for 4+ and a separate trampoline area. Since most 5+ kids are in school, the big area is fine for the younger ones like my ds and the toddler area is full of really little crawling ones.

I usually sit on the seats between the big area and the trampolines so I can see my kids. It's usually a 1 or 2 hour session and there are a few regulars like me.

I'm rather unsociable happy to keep to myself, but some of the mums sit at a big table in front of the big soft play bit. They can see the big area and about half the trampoline area. They seem to go out for cigarettes in groups, leaving one mum at the table who I assume is responsible for the kids.

When I arrived, one of these Mums was outside with a little girl about 4 and a boy about 3, but only guessing. She was having a cigarette before going in. She sat with the big group of Mums and the kids went running in.

After a little while the boy came up to my table and asked me for one of the dc's breadsticks. I said no, as you never know if a kid has allergies etc and told him to go ask his mummy if he wanted a snack. He went off and I went back to watching my kids, the smell of him did linger and it was clear he had a dirty nappy. He came back a few minutes later saying "Mummy says it's okay if I can have one". I told him I didn't know his Mummy and he should ask her for a snack, the breadsticks belonged to my dc. He was pulling at his trousers and looked uncomfortable so I asked him if he'd had a poo, he said yes, so I told him to tell his Mummy he'd had a poo.

This time I watched him go to his Mum. She was chatting to some of the other mums and completely ignored him while he was jumping up and down and trying to speak to her. He started shouting at her, "Mummy Mummy I want you". Eventually she stood up and shouted at him, "I told you, you can have one if the lady says you can." At that point she glared at me then made a face at him and checked his nappy. So at this point I assumed she knew about his dirty nappy and she wanted me to give him a breadstick. She got up and went out for a cigarette by herself and the boy came over to me. I did just give him a breadstick as I felt sorry for him. He then asked me for a drink, I went to the cafe bit and asked for a cup of water for him. They gave him a sippy cup of water and I went back to my seat and watched my kids.

The next thing I saw was the boy running past me with nothing on his lower half, poo all over his bum and legs. The mother grabbed him, got his trousers and took him off to the toilets. A few minutes later they emerged with him dressed, she just sat back down at her seat and the boy went running off again. I could smell poo really strongly so I had a look over at the trampolines. It was all over 3 of the 6 trampolines (which are white). I told the kids who were on the other trampolines they should move away from the area until it was clean and then went and told the woman at the door, who was clearly the owner or manager.

She asked me who it was and I told her what I'd seen. She then went over to the Mum and started talking to her. The Mum got really angry and started shouting at the woman, another member of staff came over and it all got a bit heated. The woman wanted the Mum to pay a cleaning fine of £80, the mum said it wasn't her (fucking) child who made the mess and it could be cleaned with a couple of wipes. Anyway it all got rather nasty and loud. I would've left but the exit has to be released from behind the desk and the staff were both dealing with the woman.

Me and some other parents took their kids down the other end so they couldn't hear the swearing. The owner/manager woman came down and asked me again if I had seen the child taking off his nappy. I said I hadn't but I had seen him run past without a nappy on. She said they were going to close while they cleaned up and didn't know how long it was going to take. Since you pay when you leave, I paid and she was very appologetic. She said the woman had refused to pay and was getting aggressive so they asked her to leave and not come back unless she would pay the cleaning bill.

When I went out, the group of mums were all standing round the entrance. The woman had gone though. When I went past they all stared at me and made comments, bitch, etc...

I came home and have since told my dh, I was pretty judgmental, I said to him I thought she should pay the cleaning fine. It's a small business and it will cost them more than £80. He says I should've kept my mouth shut and either left or kept the kids away from the trampolines. He thinks it could've happened to anyone and I'm just being mean because the woman went out for a fag. I honestly couldn't care less if she was smoking or at the toilet, she was clearly neglecting her child's needs and wasn't watching him properly.

Dh thinks I'm mean and that maybe she can't afford to pay £80. I feel sorry for the womans kids, the kids who maybe stood in the poo and had to leave the softplay, not to mention the softplay owners.

So AIBU and a judgy meany? I don't think I am but I'm willing to be judged.

OP posts:
GoingForGoalWeight · 17/01/2012 18:39

YANBU - she is a neglectful parent. poor child :(
Go back there as she won't be going there again I imagine.

wonkylegs · 17/01/2012 18:41

I would probably have done the same as you. Tbh I think it's completely fair for the SP to charge her as they do usually ask you to be responsible for your child and if she had been doing that it is unlikely that as much mess would have been made. An accident is one think to ignore it as it spreads round the room is another. I think if she had been apologetic and took responsibility it would have been another matter but there's always some 'parents' like this who thankfully are usually the exception not the rule.

W0rmy · 17/01/2012 18:42

How horrid, what a nasty experience. I feel so sorry for that child too.

I hope you will go back there as your children like it. Perhaps you can arrange to go with another friend just in case she's there? Safety in numbers and all.

Just as an aside I would be seriously pissed off with DH for taking her corner when he wasn't even there, - I hate it when people do that Angry

IUseTooMuchKitchenRoll · 17/01/2012 18:45

YANBU.

£80 fine is quite reasonable IMO. It must take a lot of effort to clean poo off trampolines, especially including the time they will have to be closed for. That woman is incredibly skanky thinking that poo can be cleaned off fabric with a couple of wipes.

GoingForGoalWeight · 17/01/2012 18:45

Social service need to have a word with that woman.

stealthsquiggle · 17/01/2012 18:48

I would leave it a week or so and then go back - I bet they will have forgotten who you are by then.

YANBU - you had to tell the staff about the mess, and if they asked you directly what you had seen, there is no reason why you should lie for this woman. I doubt they will get their £80, but they might get rid of some of the less desirable clientele (that's not intended as being a snobby comment BTW - as far as the business is concerned, people who think that it is acceptable to act like that are not going to be profitable customers as they will cost more in cleaning and lost business than they bring in).

SurroundedByPlasticCrap · 17/01/2012 18:48

Right so general view is that I'm not being U.

Dh must be in a mood about something then.

You have to sign a consent form when you go in, says price and rules on it. It has the cleaning fee on it but I don't think many people read it properly.

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kittensmakemesqueee · 17/01/2012 18:56

YANBU- and luckily for you I'm sure that scuzzy woman and her friends won't be back.. So you can enjoy yourself. Well not enjoy yourself because it is softplay..but you can relax at least.

purplewednesday · 17/01/2012 18:58

YANBU.
There is a difference between a little accident and poo on 3 trampolenes.

I would have done the same as you.

Completely ignore their nasty comments

JaxTellerIsMyFriend · 17/01/2012 19:07

oh yuk. Clatty is the right word! Grin

YANBU OP, what a horrible bunch of Mums. Poor children.

I am so glad that my 2 are soooooooo past soft play.

MamaMaiasaura · 17/01/2012 19:09

YaNbu. My fs2 had bad tummy when he was 2/3 in large popular pool and poo went up his back on flume (was wearing swim nappy). Poor boy. I told staff immediately and they closed entire pool for whole day. They also cleaned hanging rooms as it was everywhere. They were lovely about it. They also refunded all the customers too. They never asked for cleaning coats and were very grateful I'd told them straight away. They have insurance I believe to cover such incidents as I had to fill out incident form.

StealthPenguin · 17/01/2012 19:17

How unbelievably disgusting!!

She ignores the needs of her child, lets him shit everywhere, then refuses to [ay to clean it up as per the signed agreement. She then gets her Waynetta Wimmin to be all catty towards you because you did the decent thing to report her!!

She would have found herself on the other end of a headbutt if that were me.

StealthPenguin · 17/01/2012 19:17

pay*

GoingForGoalWeight · 17/01/2012 19:38

SHe has probably swapped her DS for a Westlife CD. To think there are loving decent people desparate for a child. :(

MogTheForgetfulCat · 17/01/2012 19:53

How revolting of her to leave her DS in a dirty nappy once she knew about it - nasty. Poor boy Sad. Nasty to get so aggro with the owners about it, too.

I would have been very upset after the confrontation you describe outside afterwards, and I wouldn't go back there either - shame for you and your DC, though.

YANBU.

dandelionss · 17/01/2012 19:55

I think if you run a place for pre schoolers you have to exopect accidents.It comes with the territory, and not expect their parents to pay cleaning costs!
In this case of course the mother should have changed the boy, but to be fair he could have whipped it off before asking his mum to change him.

Mama-Why would you take a child with a bad tuimmy to a public pool

IUseTooMuchKitchenRoll · 17/01/2012 19:57

You might have to expect accidents, but you would also expect parents to not allow children on a trampoline with poo in ther nappy.

An accident means a bit of wee on the floor, not poo across three trampolines.

Surely any decent person would offer to pay something?

fuzzpig · 17/01/2012 19:57

Nasty :( YANBU

I probably wouldn't have told the manager whose child it was though because I'm a wimp not good with confrontation. I'd be judging though, oh yes.

SauvignonBlanche · 17/01/2012 19:58

YANBU, that sounds gross!

fallenpetal · 17/01/2012 19:58

The attitude of some parents never ceases to amaze me! Poor lad being left in poo, yuk!

Def not unreasonable - I think the opposite Im glad you had the gumption to report it and not ignore the muck!

So glad I dont need to indure those cheesyfeet,dirtynappy wiffing places anymore!

januaryjojo · 17/01/2012 20:05

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Teapot13 · 17/01/2012 20:32

YANBU - who is your DH to determine who can better afford the cleaning costs (the mother or the management)? It's not as though if you had lied there would be no costs -- just that the business would have to cover them.

MamaMaiasaura · 17/01/2012 20:33

Dande - I didn't know he was I'll till he was! I wouldn't have taken him of I'd known. Now I look like a fucking awful mother Sad. I told staff as soon as I knew so that pool could be cleaned. I felt awful for him and them too

shouldabeenwashedinajug · 17/01/2012 20:42

She lost all moral highground (not that she had any) when she picked up her shit covered toddler from a public area, changed him, then sat back down without checking to see if there was shit anywhere.

That is vile beyond vile.

I am a wimp, and would have told the centre staff but said I didn't know where it came from, but I don't think what you did was wrong.

You got grief though cos you was bein a graaaaaass, innit.

slowburner · 17/01/2012 20:43

YANBU.

I think you should contact the soft play place to tell them that you were sworn at and intimidated when leaving the building, maybe even inform the police? Don't know if I am grossly overreacting but other people's shit ingested makes children sick, end of, my toddler puts everything in her mouth all the time and I try my best to ensure the place she plays are clean. but if another toddler has been there first and crapped everywhere she would get sick.

I reckon they would have to deep clean the place and why shouldn't they ask for some of the lost income to be refunded, the woman was a bitch and a shite mother, i echo what someone up above said, contact Ss as well. Poor lad.

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