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AIBU to think that the shops should stay closed on Boxing Day and Christmas Day...

181 replies

PeaceofCakeAndGoodWineToAllMN · 24/12/2011 17:19

...so that the staff can have 2 days off? I don't work in retail, my sister and friends do. Surely we can manage for 2 days without shopping so that they can have a rest? I know that this is part of their job, seems rather scrooge like to me though.

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ReshapeWhileDashingThroTheSnow · 26/12/2011 12:38

If I were Dictator For Life, the entire country (aside from hospitals and other essential services) would grind to a halt for at least Christmas Day and Boxing Day. Oh, and it would be bloody illegal to advertise sales at HIGH VOLUME! and MAXIMUM IMPACT! on tv until the 28th. At least. And then only at muted volume. Grin

Well, sort of. You get the idea. On the other hand, it's possible to take this attitude too far - one Christmas, spent with my PIL at their house, batteries were found to be lacking in one of DS1's toys and I innocently suggested that if it were that desperate (it wasn't) someone could pop out and just see if a petrol station were open. My FIL exploded and blustered that if any shops were open on Christmas Day, they ought to be bombed. HmmXmas Hmm with a hat on. And that's my FIL for you. Always good for a measured response.

prettyfly1 · 26/12/2011 12:44

Completely agree - just as bad are the steady stream of emails on Christmas eve and yesterday advertising online sales starting YESTERDAY. On Christmas Day. Like we cant go one frigging day without needing to BUY OUR OUTDATED SHIT STOCK RIGHT NOW BEFORE IT GOES. I would love to email each and every one of those retailers and say something along the lines of " I like your shop. I like your clothes. I also like your emails hence why I dont condemn them to the spam box. However there are three days out of every year when I dont care if you sell gold plated piss or give all of your new stock away for free. Consumerism has its limits and Christmas is it, so for god sake put away the commercial greed and fuck the fucking hell off until the 27th when I will happily partake in the pawing of the aforementioned out of date tat".

And I run an E-Commerce site.

SilveryMoon · 26/12/2011 12:45

I used to work pubs before I had dc's and would have to work over Christmas and New Year, and more often than not would work Christmas day.
I have to disagree with OP.
Retail workers can have a life, they don't work 24/7, they don't work open til close every single day, they do get a day off, sometimes just not the same day as everybody else.
That is life.
YABU

Anonymousbosh · 26/12/2011 12:45

And whoever make the comment about people being glad to have any jobs, and if the companies were'nt open they wouldn't have one really needs to get a grasp of the economics of this country and the REAL reasons wny people don't have jobs.

It is precisely the greed of companies like NEXT (though they are not by any means amongst the worst) that cause people to be out of work in the first place... concern for the bottom line and fat git profits is what cheats us out of equal living standards and a fair days wage for a fair days work. If you didn't have the rich gits skimming their horrendously huge profit margins in the good times, just to then sack a shedload of 'ordinary' people when leaner times come along then EVERYONE in this counrty would have a job and be able to achieve a decent standard of living.

The system is fu**ed, thats why the top 1% control 90% of the worlds wealth. but you know what, its all going to change anyway, for everyone, Anyone with an iota of common sense will be saving every penny they have right now rather then buying yet more things.

HecateGoddessOfTwelfthNight · 26/12/2011 12:52

They're open because there is a demand for them to be open. If nobody visited shops on christmas day or boxing day, they'd soon start keeping them closed because they wouldn't be prepared to pay the wages and the heat & light costs to open a shop nobody was visiting.

So if anyone should be to 'blame', (not that it is a question of blame) it is the customer. So less AIBU to think that shops should stay closed on christmas day or boxing day.. and more AIBU to think that people should not visit shops on christmas day or boxing day.

clam · 26/12/2011 13:05

I think that the retailers have very cleverly created a "demand" to open on Boxing Day. We don't "need" to go shopping particularly, in the same way that we don't "need" to stuff our faces with chocolate at this time of year, but if there's a box passing we'll accept a few one. So people feel they must have chocolates in the house because guests want them. Whereas they'd not really miss them if they weren't there.

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ivykaty44 · 26/12/2011 13:13

We used to be known as a NATION OF SHOP KEEPERS, now we are a nation of shoppers and it is the national past time.

If you want to shop then shop, but leave me to stay home with my family and friends to spend christmas time together

PeaceofCakeAndGoodWineToAllMN · 26/12/2011 13:18

There was a news report on Sky (news channel) which said people had slept outside last night to get into the Selfridges sale at 8am. Sorry but that's just stupid. It's consumerism at its worst.

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Kellogg · 26/12/2011 13:23

I think the sad thing is that shop workers have to work simply because of the greed and dull lives of others. That is what makes not so sad. Therefore different to doctors, military etc.

HecateGoddessOfTwelfthNight · 26/12/2011 13:24

Now, is that selfridges fault for being open at 8am or the customers' fault for being so bloody stupid that they want to sleep outside a shop on christmas night just to buy something? [boggle]

People are weird.

xmasmummytobe · 26/12/2011 13:34

In reply to OP, not read the whole thread YABU, it's boxing day and I want some apples, I will be leaving to take a walk to the shop momentarily. I spent years working in hospitality, hotels ect worked almost every Christmas and New Year also thoroughly enjoyed it. A jobs a job, all have pros and cons.

From another view point perhaps YANBU there is no urgent need for me to buy apples, I would survive without them.

wellthatsdoneit · 26/12/2011 13:37

I used to love working boxing day as a teenager 'saturday' girl because I got paid double time.

YABU. Some people are glad of the money. Some people apparently enjoy getting up at stupid oclock and getting a 'bargain' which they probably wouldn't actually want under normal circumstances (mad fools). I encourage anything which promotes choice. We are not all christian. We do not all enjoy the same things. We are individuals.

Trills · 26/12/2011 13:53

We are individuals.

I'm not! :o

Exactly - I don't see why it is up to us to say that the shops must be shut on any day of the year. There is no should about it.

ChaoticAngel · 26/12/2011 14:06

I've no objection to shops being open on Sundays but do think they should shut Boxing Day and give the workers a break.

However, I'll throw another idea into the mix. Instead of saying that shops should be shut on Sundays, how about everything being open 7 days a week/ Why not open doctor's surgeries, libraries, banks/building societies, offices. That way no matter what the day either, the bank, for example, will be open, or someone, e.g. an office worker, will have a day off to do what they need to do.

/sorry about lack of question marks but my shift keys aren't working/

mamalovesmojitos · 26/12/2011 14:19

YANBU

FlossieFromCrapstonVillas · 26/12/2011 14:25

Only those with no imagination shop in Boxing Day.

5moreminutes · 26/12/2011 14:42

Where we live (Southern Germany - Bavaria) the shops are closed every Sunday and bank holiday (legally not allowed to open, with some exceptions for petrol stations and bakeries, bakeries only open 6am - 10.30am, 12 in bigger towns). Grocery shops are generally open 8am - 8pm Mon - Sat, although small corner shop type shops close for lunch for up to 3 hours, and do things like only opening in the morning during the school holidays, and even small supermarkets in small towns shut at lunch time on Saturdays. 8pm closing is a new thing, used to be 6pm until a couple of years ago.

A few years ago the shops here only opened "office hours" - then I really wonder how households where nobody stayed home bought essential groceries!

When we moved here though I did joke we were moving to 1950! It is amazing how used you get to being able to buy a pint of milk or some ingredient you have forgotten on a Sunday, or ask DH to pop out for nappies at 9pm when you realise you only have 1 left! Took almost a year to totally adjust to having to be organised or make do, but don't miss it now tbh.

In the UK I used to order groceries online or do a supermarket shop soon after the shops opened on a Sunday when they were empty, and did prefer that to fighting through the crowds on a Saturday I must say. But nobody actually needs to shop on bank holidays or Sundays and one guaranteed day off a week must be nice for retail staff to know they will get with their families, so I agree it is a nice idea, though I am not religious at all. Grocery shops do need to be open longer than office hours though, otherwise it means it makes being a working mum even harder - no co-incidence that very, very few mothers work more than very part time hours in our local area (though this is also more to do with school finishing by lunch time).

mimi84 · 26/12/2011 15:42

YANBU. I live in Poland and shops/malls are closed on the 25th and 26th, they also work only half day on the 24th and everyone copes just fine with that..

BTW this is my first post on MN - yay me! :)

PeaceofCakeAndGoodWineToAllMN · 26/12/2011 15:45

Oh, welcome mimi Xmas Smile

I worked in retail several years ago. The shops would close at 4pm on Christmas eve but the staff would spend hours putting out the sale stock. One day off, then open on Boxing Day. I work from home now so can choose my own hours. It's lovely to spend time with my son.

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OhDoAdmitMrsDeVere · 26/12/2011 15:54

I have just come back from the shops. IF they were not open it wouldnt have bothered me. I just wanted to get out for a bit so wandered around.

It wasnt that long ago that ony a few were open but then all the others followed suit so as not to be left out.

On Christmas eve the shops are like jumble sales because the poor staff are trying to get the shops ready for boxing day sales whilst people are still getting last minute presents.

I really dont get this 'well soldiers/nurses/drs have to work so why shouldnt everyone else' what a weird arguement. That is what makes the emergency services so special and important. Its like comparing apples and oranges.

Retail staff are also poorly paid on the whole. Now the shops are open all the time I doubt they get enhanced pay for anitsocial hours. There is no such thing.

Its supply and demand. If the shops shut on Boxing day no one would suffer.

chipmunksex · 26/12/2011 16:10

Yep the shopworkers are not being paid double time or anything like it. The companies renegotiated contracts so that their staff have to work boxing day and other bank holidays at standard rates. That's why they are open today, a few years ago it wasn't woth all the extra wages to do it.Sad

PeaceofCakeAndGoodWineToAllMN · 26/12/2011 16:13

There's plenty of other opportunities to shop, even online people can shop 24 hours a day. The shops should stay closed for 2 over Christmas.

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lurkinginthebackground · 26/12/2011 16:51

I agree with the op. 2 days is not too much to ask. I don't work in retail btw and get time off at Christmas.

Ephiny · 26/12/2011 16:56

Well it was quite convenient to be able to pop into Sainsbury's today. But it was so quiet in there I did wonder why they even bothered opening! I wouldn't have minded if they hadn't, as long as we'd known in advance we could have easily made sure we had enough food in for an extra day.

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