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Father Christmas charging for photographs

40 replies

AWimbaAllTheWay · 16/12/2011 10:53

Was I being unreasonable to send the following complaint letter, and am I being unreasonable to expect a response even if to say they don't agree?

This is what I emailed;

On visiting Harewood's Santa's Grotto today with my three children I
was most disappointed.

I pre-booked my tickets on-line, at a cost of £22.50, along with £5
parking fee I was spending a hefty £27.50 for my three children to see
Father Christmas.
My older 2 are old enough to be excited and enjoy the experience for
what it is, my youngest at just 13 months however doesn't really have
a clue what it's all about. I only booked her a ticket too as I wanted
to have them all together for a photograph and the website made it
clear I had to pay for any child entering the grotto.

I was astounded when we arrived at the Grotto to see that no
photographs were allowed in an attempt to extort yet more money from
us by selling photographs for nearly £10 a print! Not only is this a
ludicrous amount of money for a photo we could have easily taken
ourselves at no expense, in this day and age most people would much
prefer a digital photo. I later discovered that the price for
photographs had gone up from the previous week, I presume as Harewood
realised they were onto a money maker and decided that ripping off
poor parents who are obviously going to find it hard to turn down a
photo of such a special moment for their children was the way to go.

My main grievance is that NO WHERE when booking on your website does
it state that photography is forbidden and that such extortionate fees
will be charged if you want to buy one. If I had been provided with
this important information at the time of booking I may well have
still booked for my older children but I would most certainly not have
paid out £7.50 for my youngest.

To add to my irritation although we had booked a timeslot, well three
in fact, we were delayed by almost 15 minutes due to a technical
problem with the snowflake dome, so not only did we have to wait with
a very impatient 1yr old we didn't even get to experience the
snowflake dome's full splendour.

Whilst understanding the need for Harewood to make money I find it sad
that you feel the need to do this by misleading your loyal patrons.
Can I suggest in future you at least let your customers know all the
facts at time of booking.

Have yet to receive a reply, is it a bit OTT? Meant to add my older children received a fairly decent present, but my youngest was fobbed off with something of far less value which I felt was off as we paid the same for all three.

Is it normal to have to pay for photographs? I've never had to prior to this occasion.

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Flisspaps · 16/12/2011 11:03

I don't think it's OTT.

We went with DD, PIL, DN and SIL to see Santa somewhere else a couple of weeks ago and they charged for photos (3 4x6 prints for £10, I can buy a pack of Kodak photo paper from the 99p shop!) and thought it was disgusting.

They also charged about 50p for every adult who went in with the children, as well as £5.00 per child - so for £34 we had two miserable toddlers and five adults trying to soothe them, two lots of three photos of two miserable toddlers and two cheap toys. The place was absolutely heaving as well, even the queue has a waiting room - oh yes, you have to sit in a waiting room before being called to get into the queue Hmm

The one near us is free. We'll go and see Santa there next year.

squeakytoy · 16/12/2011 11:05

It was normal to pay for photographs 40 years ago.. nothing has changed.

ObiWanWithBellsOn · 16/12/2011 11:05

It is normal to pay for photos in most places, that's where the money is.

I think your email is a bit long and rambling, and will probably be ignored as their grotto will close in a few days time anyway.

Most shopping centres have free to enter grottos, so I assume that for the price you paid, it was more of a Santa 'experience' than just a grotto? That's probably what you were paying for, with photos on top, as is usual.

squeakytoy · 16/12/2011 11:07

You got a gift (well the kids did).. that is what the money is for.

AWimbaAllTheWay · 16/12/2011 11:09

I'm actually quite surprised it's the norm. It was £10 for one photo! I was mainly irritated that they hadn't mentioned it on the website. I guess they know that people will pay (although we didn't) so they can get away with it.

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StrandedUnderTheMisltoe · 16/12/2011 11:09

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AWimbaAllTheWay · 16/12/2011 11:11

But like I said squeakytoy, that pissed me off too, why was dc3's toy such much crapper than the other two's just because she's younger, we paid the same.

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squeakytoy · 16/12/2011 11:12

I can understand why they dont let people take their own photos..

People would faff about, try to retake until they get the "right" shot, not know how to work their camera.. it would take forever!

A1980 · 16/12/2011 11:12

YABU

The money you spent was for the gift they were given. I have never known a place where they didn't charge for the photos in addition.

IMO if you can afford £27.50, which is quite frankly ridiculous, you can afford £10 for a photo.

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tigermoll · 16/12/2011 11:13

I remember going to see Santa a few times as a kid. Mostly found it bewildering and unsettling, with hours and hours of standing in line only to be greeted by a bored stranger in a fake beard handing out plastic purses to the girls and plastic boats to the girls. I felt shy and awkward, and not at all like sitting on his knee and enthusiastically outlining my need for a pony. Plus, even at five I was pretty doubtful as to his authenticity.

I guess what i'm trying to say is, next year, I wouldn't bother taking your kids to shopping-centre-santa. But in the meantime, complain all you can, - it sounds like a hugely overpriced rip-off deal, and ten quid for a photo is frankly outrageous.

AWimbaAllTheWay · 16/12/2011 11:14

Stranded, I've been taking my dcs to see father christmas for a few years now, and my niece and nephews before that and have never not been allowed to take photos before. I guess this one was supposed to be a bit posher but I just wasn't expecting it. I do think it should have been advertised they charge at time of booking.

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AWimbaAllTheWay · 16/12/2011 11:15

Stranded, my older 2 got cuddly penguins suitable from birth.

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FrothingBeserker · 16/12/2011 11:15

I have never paid extra for photos at a Father Christmas grotto.

I have taken the dc to a few, and photos have always been included in the price.

I would also be miffed by the crappy gift for an under 1 - yes, they can't have an under-3 toy, but that doesn't mean they have to have crap, just have a different toy.

AWimbaAllTheWay · 16/12/2011 11:17

And even an age appropriate toy could have been to the same value.

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AWimbaAllTheWay · 16/12/2011 11:18

X-post FrothingBeserker, glad to see I'm not the only one who thinks it's not on.

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AriesWithBellsOn · 16/12/2011 11:19

Absolutely not unreasonable, no. I weep at what Christmas has become :(

Kladdkaka · 16/12/2011 11:20

It's an unfortunate necessity. Do you have any idea how much elves and magic dust costs these days? :o

AWimbaAllTheWay · 16/12/2011 11:20

A1980, the point is I can't really afford the £27.50, I was splashing out on a special treat for the kids, which is why I definitely couldn't afford the £10 on top.

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FrothingBeserker · 16/12/2011 11:23

I would also expect, at the very least that if I paid £10 for the photo I would get a digital copy too. That is an outrageous expense for a single photo.

AWimbaAllTheWay · 16/12/2011 11:23

He did actually have a real beard tigermoll, so can't really complain about that Grin, in fact he was a good Father Christmas, just everything else was overpriced and a bit shit.

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OldGreyWassailTest · 16/12/2011 11:24

The money is not just for a present. Someone, presumably who earns a living, has to erect the grotto (and take it down), be the Santa, buy the presents, wrap them, take the photos, someone else has to print them off. Then there's electricity, insurance, etc. etc.

AWimbaAllTheWay · 16/12/2011 11:28

OldGreyWassailTest that still doesn't explain why I wasn't told about the photo charge at time of booking or why one of children got a far cheaper gift than the other two. And £10 for one photo is a rip off.

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AWimbaAllTheWay · 16/12/2011 11:30

Also because they were charging so much I didn't buy one, so they didn't get any photo money towards staff, etc. If they had charged less and advertised the fact at time of booking I may have bought one. I wasn't the only one surprised, I noticed several parents with cameras out at the ready.

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