to find this map absolutely FASCINATING

[TalkinPeace2]

www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/interactive/2011/aug/16/riots-poverty-map
it is there because of the riot conviction data
BUT
as its ward by ward poverty indexed its INCREDIBLY revealing about the demographics of areas
an expert google masher could probably link primary school CVA and a few other things to it.

Zoom out and then pan to where you live .....
is that what you expected to see?

It is what I expected to see.

love it. So you are looking for excuses for the scum who felt entitled to rob.

Im from a very bad area in Manchester but instead of going out on the rob the people from the local area jumped on anyone who siggested joining in on the riots.

I'm from the north east. We were too busy being mint to riot.

Exactly what I would have expected.

I think the important thing to study is why the majority of people in the poorest areas did not riot, and work out how to get those who went on a riotous robbery spree to emulate their neighbours.

Fascinating.

No, it's not what I expected. My area is richer than I thought, and the villages we are thinking of moving to which seem posh compared with our current area are a lot poorer.

It's what I would have expected. What am I supposed to take from that?

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The map isn't that meaningful without population density indicators; needs to be redone with EDs redrawn in Danny Dorling style circles. It could just be reflecting population density, for all we know.

(says she, former map geek)

Wow - very interesting. I live in an red area with an adjacent blue one. The poor should get a good crack at the rich but the lazy scum-bags generally prefer to rob their own.

No black areas which I find surprising but perhaps I can't zoom in enough because I know of some terrible places locally where social and economic deprivation is utterly rife - even compared to where I live.

'Incredibly revealing'?

I don't think it reveals anything; it's EXACTLY what anyone would have expected.

Oops sorry!

I thought you meant the 'revealing' bit was about rioting areas being poor.

I should have read the OP properly.

I don't think it reveals anything; it's EXACTLY what anyone would have expected.

Agreed

I don't think the OP is asking what we think of the map in relation to rioting, but what we think it shows about the areas we live in. I live in Warrington, but am not a local - often hear people talking about "not living over the water" ie, the other side of the Manchester Ship Canal, the map gives a very good visual of what they mean!

I think it is fairly obvious, without even looking at a map, if there is a lot of social housing, terraced housing (with the exception of Central London), high rise housing, and flats above shops, then you will get higher up the poverty scale than in areas where the houses are mainly privately owned, have large gardens, and generally have much fewer shops to loot.

You couldnt really have much of a riot in a quiet village.

alienbump - So your not far from me.

The map highlights all the rich and poor areas. Great, but we already know about them anyway. So what is the point of the map!

My entire (large S.E new) town is a poor area and there were only a few desultory attempts at rioting by one or two small groups which were no more challenging than the average Saturday night for the local police.

I'm sure it's because people here don't watch the news, can not organise themselves to do ANYTHING and are generally stoned from dawn till dusk and beyond. My immediate neighbours, all of whom are on the fiddle and / or reliant on benefits didn't even bother to vote in the general election despite the fact that the previous government had given them something for nothing for years.

Not convinced. A couple of regions near us which are famously posh consist of leafy lanes with beautiful, enormous houses are coloured green, which doesn't add up. My area with lots of terraced housing and failing primaries is blue.

My family claim benefits too by the way - DLA for disabled our son and tax credits so I'm not bashing. Just infuriated that if the very people the previous government had given so much to had stubbed out their spliff, switched off Jeremy Kyle and staggered down the road and put a cross on a little bit of paper then it might have helped a bit.

Please folks,
the riot data is not relevant

I was more interested in the fact that "inner city poverty" seems to have missed out some areas
most of Belgravia is old terraced houses for instance!!!
and there is more relative deprivation (green rather than blue) in suburban areas than I would have expected
then again in deeply rural areas where home ownership is a REAL problem deprivation is less than I'd have expected

i don't think the map is at all accurate.

Example Altrincham is a fairly well off town yet the centre of it "according to the ma" is very poor.

Also there is an area called Rostheren which is very posh, very old cottages no council houses etc and still is only green.

MrSpoc
it could also be that there are lots of people much further in debt than outward appearances would show
remember that in the very centre of a market town are largely people living in rented above shops who may have high levels of relative deprivation

NB the figures are from DCLG so are probably pretty sound as they have to cough up money based on them

TalkinPeace2 - That is not thec cased for Altrincham. The shopping centre has no flats above the shops. All local house are private with the lowest price house circa £200k. No council houses near the centre either.

Im not sure what debt has to do with it either.

Not surprised with our area. Very red, dark red, and the specific area I live in is categorised at 1035 out of 32482.

Where I grew up is 31182! Looks like I have no hope of moving back!