AIBU to think that the parents of a battered one month old baby should NOT be out on bail? *Warning: distressing news story*

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I've just read the horrific story of the battered and allegedly sexually assaulted baby boy in Kent.

I won't go into detail as it is horrific.

But his Parents are out on bail!!!

What is wrong with the justice system ffs? His injuries are horrific, if God forbid, anything like that happened to my children I wouldn't even bother with the police. Not after these dregs of society have been let out on bail.

String them up I say.

Surely if it wasn't the parents then they would have said that their child was with the gps - nanny - friend etc wen it happened

Coz if it was me as the innocent Parent I would be naming and shaming who was there caring for my child

And yes I am sickened by what happened and actually copy and pasted the injuries

As local to me its all over the news but several of my friends who live far away didn't know about it / as hadn't seen the news - so yes I wrote on here what the poor baby suffered as mn is worldwide and maybe some on the thread didn't know what happened

All I will say is that WHOEVER did this awful crime - I hope they get everything they deserve

I believe paedophile's don't deserve human rights

In which case they cease to be human rights and become benefits reliant on who or what a person is, says or does. Are you really happy for the state to decide who has the right to life, to education,to family life etc?

And does your view apply to just proven paedophiles or, as in this case, those suspected who may or may not be guilty. How about the creepy bloke who lives alone down the road? Who decides?

No, clearly you don't want to see these people brought to justice or you wouldn't be supporting the vijilanti mob on this thread.

I didn't need to read the article - someone saw fit to post the details here. Not reading it doesn't mean that I don't believe it happened - it is horrific that any child is abused - I don't need to read the graphic details of exactly how that child was abused to be horrified by the fact it happened.

"Surely if it wasn't the parents then they would have said that their child was with the gps - nanny - friend etc wen it happened" and how do you know they haven't - any police detail is confidential; the parents will be prevented from speaking to the media as part of their bail conditions; the why's and wherefore's will not be in the public domain other than in the form of speculation.

"As local to me its all over the news but several of my friends who live far away didn't know about it / as hadn't seen the news - so yes I wrote on here
what the poor baby suffered as mn is worldwide and maybe some on the thread didn't know what happened" again, why? We have the internet; we have news sites; this story has been on the news - it was headline news yesterday, people who wish to read it may do so. There is no need to know what happened to this child.

Don't rule out a third-party abuser.

I'm not supporting the mob - I just hope whoever it was does get punished

Yes maybe the family have been told to keep stum while investigations are taking place

As the op said - if someone hurt their child they would kill them - if i were a parent I would be the same

Beautiful little girl I taught aged seven during the weeks she was in my class and supposedly protected from abuse ended up with an STD from her grandmother's casual boyfriend.

IF these people are guilty as charged then they should both go to the blackest hell, yes, but they haven't been charged yet. The woman for example could have had similar or worse injuries BUT would have been detained and may well be charged because she is an adult and should be held accountable for protecting the baby.

If they have indeed done these atrocious things to a tiny baby, I wouldn't want them out in society near anyone else for a very long time. In the meantime, I hope the poor little boy gets better soon. A horrendous story

About ten years ago, a very high profile and particularly disturbing child abuse case in France ended in the complete acquittal of the majority of the accused.

Accused whose reputation had been trashed in the media and who had spent a long time in jail on remand being victimised in the most horrible ways by other prisoners. One took his own life before the judgement exonerating him. The child of another attempted suicide, having failed to cope with the things that were being said about his father and the subsequent bullying he received. Some of the accused had young children who were denied all contact with their parents for the entirety of the investigation (several years).

The principle of innocent until proved guilty is important for a reason.

"And does your view apply to just proven paedophiles or, as in this case, those suspected who may or may not be guilty. How about the creepy bloke who lives alone down the road? Who decides?"

Or the paediatrician whose house was attacked because the baying mob was too thick to understand the difference between her and a paedophile.

I have a lot of respect for police and prison guards who have to act professionally and protect people who are accused of crimes like this, I know if it were my job I would be very tempted to turn a blind eye and let other inmates carry out their punishments on these monsters.

One of the great things about juries of your peers is that the opinions of everyman and everywoman as to the crimes committed hold some sway (within the confines of the law obviously) so 'the level of reporting might prejudice a trial' argument doesn't really hold water -- it is expected that the feelings of the public will have a bearing on the outcome.

Oh good lord, OP. You ask what is wrong with the criminal justice system - why don't you wait a bit and find out what has actually gone on here, before you rush in with a noose?

We are all as horrified as you by what happened to this baby, but WE DON'T KNOW JACKSHIT yet, so how about we let the police do their job for a day or two without a lynch mob breathing down their necks?

I hope with all my heart this poor little boy recovers, and is brought up by a loving family to some way compensate for this horrific start.

I hope that the police and justice departments can draw on their collective skills to gather the evidence they need to lock whoever committed this act o f unspeakable evil as quickly as possible.

I hope all the professionals who will put this poor child back together again can use their skills to best effect, and find a way to find peace of mind after what they see and learn.

I hope that the local people who are so, so very angry can let the process run unimpeded. Living close to this address as I do makes me ashamed that the people who hurt this boy can live amongst us party to all the privileges of our free society in our little town. How dare they.

And I hope that when they are convicted and charged the rest of their miserable lives will be filled with pain, torment, guilt and fear. And then I hope they fast track their way to hell, where there's a special seat just for them.

I'm not saying that the baby was not hurt by its parents but there have been baby cases over the last few years wher the (usually) mother has been gaoled for a fews years but let out after appeal because the child suffered from a condition that caused its injuries. I can't remember what injuries this baby has so this idea might not apply to it (can't even remember if it's a boy or girl).

They havent said whether it is the parents or not. The house they were in is in rather a neglected condition. Locally they have been named as the child's parents and they are well known for working in local health and government services. Like I have said previously, very similar in that way to the Ian Huntley/Maxine Carr etc.

However, again, we do not know that the couple in question arrested were in fact the parents, or in fact that they did subject any of the injuries onto the child. There could have been extended family or friends there. We dont know whether one was trying to stop the other from hurting them, or in fact the baby was in the cross fire of a domestic dispute. We know nothing that happened behind those closed doors.

Locally we know who they are, and believe me when I say that neighbours etc are a little surprised at it all in that they never suspected anything - and like I said before they were known in the local communities apparently with their work.

When I say locally, I dont just mean in the next town. I mean I am 3 or 4 streets away from this. The whole community is very affected by it all - not helped by the media fueling it by having reporters at the house questioning locals as they go past or read the many many tributes and well wishes there. The local people have been primarily calm about this, with lots of night vigils and candles - the thoughts are with the baby getting better primarily. Yes, everyone wants the culprit held accountable, but they want the baby well.

*btw, I have name changed but used another regularish name.

EnjoyResponsibly Evidently we live in the same town. First Mumsnetter close to me I have "met" online. Wonder if we know each other in real life. The whole atmosphere around the town at the moment is so hard to describe.

ghost reckon I'm less than half a mile away. Nice to meet you, although not under the circs.

It's horrid isn't it, also knowing that friends in the police force and emergency services are getting caught in the slipstream. The vigil looks exactly what I'd expect as I know that the area is very strong on neighbourly spirit.

Wish the press weren't highlighting the actions of a minority when the rest of us are just shocked and deeply sad and rooting collectively for the baby.

EnjoyResponsibly, I know the health visitors and midwives that cover that area very well, and my heart goes out to them too as they will of course have to be involved in all this investigation and will be questioning everything. I know ambulance drivers and nurses too, these estates in the town are still so close knit and community focused, which makes this so much harder to ackowledge that it has happened.

The tributes and vigil are beautiful in the area. BBC News SE did a nice piece on that at lunchtime, without commenting on the minority.