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AIBU to think that the parents of a battered one month old baby should NOT be out on bail? *Warning: distressing news story*

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BoysBoysBoysAndMe · 05/12/2011 09:49

I've just read the horrific story of the battered and allegedly sexually assaulted baby boy in Kent.

I won't go into detail as it is horrific.

But his Parents are out on bail!!! Shock

What is wrong with the justice system ffs? His injuries are horrific, if God forbid, anything like that happened to my children I wouldn't even bother with the police. Not after these dregs of society have been let out on bail.

String them up I say.

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RockingBEYONDtheXmasTree · 05/12/2011 13:16

As people have already said above, and I wrote on the other thread (in In The News) people are only refused bail if there is a risk of them reoffending or they are a flight risk. If there is a risk of vigilantism, they are released with police guard (as they have been)

We dont know anything about this case yet, short of two adults were arrested and then released. As far as I know, they arent even confirmed as the parents yet. Surely it is standard procedure to investigate the people who brought the child in to hospital first? That doesnt mean that it is 100% definite that they did it.
Nor obviously am I saying they are definitely innocent.

OhdearNigel · 05/12/2011 13:21

Rocking, that's not true. Post charge RIC is sought/granted for the following reasons:

  1. Potential that they try to interfere with witnesses/process of justice
  2. Commission of further offences while on bail
  3. defendant poses a flight risk
OhdearNigel · 05/12/2011 13:22

sorry, thought you said it was only if it was a flight risk, missed you further offences bit.

RockingBEYONDtheXmasTree · 05/12/2011 13:23

Sorry, missed one out Grin
I'm not an expert, it was posted as an "as far as I know" question on the other thread :)

OhdearNigel · 05/12/2011 13:33

believe me, i wish I wasnt' Wink. it would mean i worked in a more interesting role

Memoo · 05/12/2011 13:53

Yabu

As much as I detest what these people have done, innocent until proven guilty applies to every person in the country no matter how bad the crime. Until they are found guilty by a court they should be treated like every one else.

Blondeshavemorefun · 05/12/2011 13:53

Any child abuse story always hits me hard and this family live near smokin and I :(

Yes no one has been convicted yet - that will take a while but seems the parents were the only people around this defenceless baby so many think it is the parents

How any human being can rape a tiny baby is beyond me - not that being older means rape is acceptable iyswim but a tiny baby :(

People will prob fire bomb their house if they went back there

That poor baby - what their last few moments of life must have been like :(

cuteboots · 05/12/2011 14:03

Any form of child abuse is unacceptable but I think a small baby is just beyond that and I cannot think what goes throught the sick minds of people like this. I cried when I read this as it s just so awful! They are nothing better than animals. But no doubt they will go to jail and we will pay to keep them there!!

Memoo · 05/12/2011 14:03

The baby is still alive blondes

Memoo · 05/12/2011 14:04

Do we actually know that they are the parents of the child?

Blondeshavemorefun · 05/12/2011 14:14

Sorry I meant - before being taken to hospital - not as in the baby's dead iyswim - know baby is alive - apparently in a stable condition

The baby?s horrific injuries were said to have included a broken arm, a broken collarbone, punctured lungs and severe bruising. It was said all of his ribs were fractured.

Only good thing / if that's the right word is that the baby won't remember anything - I hope

ThereIsNoSpoon · 05/12/2011 14:17

I have absolutely no faith that the UK's justice ststem is in any way equipped to meet out a punishment fitting of the crime commited against this poor child. These kinds of cases only serve to strebgthen the case for Capital Punishment.

I am sure that they will be remanded into the custody of a flatescreen TV and Playstation equipped jail just as soon as they are charged. In the meantime, well, who knows what might happen to them.

Kladdkaka · 05/12/2011 14:19

I am also well aware of the opinion in the UK of, "innocent until proven guilty".

It not an opinion in the UK. It's a basic human right enshrined in the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

But who needs human rights when there are plenty of pitchforks to go round.

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BoysBoysBoysAndMe · 05/12/2011 14:19

Finally!!! someone on my wavelength ThereIsNoSpoon

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BoysBoysBoysAndMe · 05/12/2011 14:20

What about the Human Rights of the baby Kladdkaka?

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wannaBe · 05/12/2011 14:28

Child abuse is abhorrent. That is not in dispute anywhere.

But really, is there any need to write out in graphic detail on this thread what happened to this poor defenseless child? really? Hmm if we need to know this stuff goes on then link to the news article. But it seems as if some people almost get off on posting this stuff here so they can get more and more worked up about what they'd like to do to the perpitrators...

So people feel sick when reading it - not sick enough that you can't take the time out to re-write it in graphic detail though ey!!! Angry

A child has been seriously abused. For some reason the graphic detail is out there in the media. And hopefully those responsible will be brought to justice.

But writing out the graphic descriptions of what happened to this child on a parenting website in order to whip up a frenzy is not the way.

Kladdkaka · 05/12/2011 14:35

What about the Human Rights of the baby Kladdkaka?

What about them? It is not one of the baby's human's rights to have other people imprisoned or strung up without trial.

Or do you believe that human rights only apply to nice people?

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BoysBoysBoysAndMe · 05/12/2011 14:36

I believe paedophile's don't deserve human rights

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ThereIsNoSpoon · 05/12/2011 14:36

WannaBe people should not be shielded from the horror this boy suffered because it is unpallatable. If anything, I firmly believe that highlighting details in cases like these can be a massive help to other abused children because the kind of thing that's happened to this boy can compell people to speak out when they know a child is being abused.

wannaBe · 05/12/2011 14:40

yes, and it's all there in the media. so much of it in fact that I would have serious concerns that the level of reporting might prejudice a trial.

But let's not let that get in the way of your lust for "justice" ey.

Memoo · 05/12/2011 14:42

Wow op, talk about missing the point!

How do you know they did it? ? Because you read it in the paper? The justice system doesn't work like that.

wannaBe · 05/12/2011 14:43

who need judges an juries when we have idiots on the internet to decide who is innocent and who isn't. Presumably if your children ever came to harm and the logical assumption was that you harmed them you'd be happy for the local vijilanti mob to come calling round your house to seek justice?

Memoo · 05/12/2011 14:46

Exactly wannabe

I suspect the op's intelligence levels are hindering her understanding though.

ThereIsNoSpoon · 05/12/2011 14:47

I know. Wannabe it's terrible, my wanting to see a fit and proper punishment for such a heinous crime...

And I disagree completely with your view that any trial will be impeded. I think you are hiding behind that very flimsy point because you have didain for being ''forced'' to know what happened to him. No-one's making you read the article or join in with these threads. But if you want to sit with your nice life with your fingers in your ears pretending that horror is just for Hollywood, who am I to stop you...

Crosshair · 05/12/2011 14:49

Such an awful thing. :(