To think that pushchairs should have same priority as wheelchairs on buses?

[SparklyC]

Today - packed bus, I was in the pushchair bit on the bus, another mum got on with a buggy loaded with shopping. People sat in space that could have held another buggy in it didn't get up so both our pushchairs had to go in one space and my pushchair is one of those big all-terrain things! Then bus driver stopped bus for wheelchair user and asked us if either of us could fold down our pushchairs/move? Well, first of all, there wouldn't have been any room for us to sit down with our babies and also have our shopping on our knee or even stored on luggage shelf once pushchairs were on. Also the bus service I travel on has a bus every 4 minutes in the daytime. So the bus driver (who obviously has to be sen to be doing the right thing) got off the bus to tell the wheelchair user that the bus was full, and would he mind waiting for the next one, which he didn't anyway. What does everyone else think? Should we mums with our pushchairs be given the same priority as wheelchairs? Should bus drivers ask other passengers to move so that we can get on, instead of (sometimes) feeling like we are an annoyance and an obstacle to them?

devient,

I can't tell from your post whether you think I am getting at you - can I just state really clearly that I think you are absolutely entitled to the wheelchair space regardless of whether you are using a pushchair or a wheelchair? Your pushchair / wheelchair has always had a REASON to be huge, after all. It's like if all 4x4s were driven by people who spent the majority of their time driving cross-country as part of their everyday living, i would be much more tolerant of them...

Teacher,

Thats good, I though you were as well as the other few. It's just some folk do need to know that life isn't all shopping brigade for some mothers with babies. Having said that I have listed times when I have had to fold etc for buggy patrol, the wheelchairs I obviously would move for.

'They are bought by pompous parents who think 'Look at my precious darlings, aren't they wonderful. Er no.'

What inbred nonsense, There isnt a huge amount of choice y'know at least there wasn't when I was buying mine,

The lightweight ones are often cheap shit and or arent very roomy or both.
However if this is a general opinion I should ring my mother and tell her she did a terrible job,
and my grandma , and possibly everywoman in the 1950's.
After all very pompously walking around with Silvercross Prams, how very dare they, babies are much better hated and hiddden in cheap flimsy shit.

Jesus Christ that is the most ridiculous thing In have read in a long time.

Yes they did but guess what they mostly Walked and babies slept in them I had one for eldest used to walk miles with her but for going on bus I had a practacle buggy. Compared to nearly 21 years ago when I had DD1 there is a huge choice nowadays.

Most people walk with Prams , but sometimes you have to use a bus,

A lot of small prams for newborns are cheap crap plus my DS was very long he wouldnt have last 5 minutes in them.

In the affluent part of West London near me there are tons of these tractors. They buy them for show. Its incredibly selfish to board a bus with one and take up most of the space. If you want one, fine but walk. Or buy a smaller one to take on the bus.

'what inbred nonsense'. Really, Archemedes? Wtf does that even mean? You have been deeply rude and offensive throughout this thread though, so really not surprised by your continuing that.

Maryz, ha, re monster prams... DP's brother and his wife bought a pram about the size of a Humvee. A big, all terrain yoke. Except that the only terrain they ever cover is the 3 feet between their front door and their car. Then discovered that it didn't fit in the boot of one of their cars. So sold it (the car) and bought a new one, to fit the pram. You know, instead of oh, buying a smaller pram. Madness. Anyway, I digress. This thread disgusts me. I'm horrified to think that there are so many selfish, devoid of compassion posters on here. All those entitled disabled people, with their right to use spaces allocated to them. FFS. Some of the ignorant, hateful shit on this thread just beggars belief.

Archemedes - you are a foul person devoid of compassion. Your precious little child is so more important than a wheelchair user. Oh fucking diddums, imagine a poor little newborn having to wait with mummy for the next bus. My heart bleeds for you.

Here the big silver cross prams are banned on the buses as they are so big and often exceded the maxium size of even wheelchairs that are allowed on the buses.

London going to be full of us inbred wheelchair users soon you know with the paraolympics coming and since we can not use the tube were going to be all over the buses and Transport for London will not want to be remembered as the people that let prams take over the spaces for wheelchairs .

so your going to end up walking a lot more of folding

three words ring and ride?

why are the wheel hair users on here not reading all of the posts just picking the stuff they don't like and attacking.

i am an educated well rounded person who believes in TOTAL equality. if that blows your mind tuff.

you do know, those of you with babies, you cant tell if they might turn out to be disabled. It could be you and then you'll look back on your comments with shame as you struggle with a child in a wheelchair.
Thats why you need a shred of empathy. It could be you needing that specially designed wheelchair space.

Educated? Well rounded ?

Do those things mean something different? Are you using them as euphemisms for pig ignorant and deeply self absorbed.

loving the fact that selfish people are using equality as the reason for them to be so fucking self absorbed and selfish.

Because Ring and ride do not allow you to take children and funny enough I have 4 of them and we tend to like to ho out for the day and limited to shopping etc which does not appeal to me

Good if you believe in it , would you mind then making sure all buildings are accessibile and that the tube is and all buses as well as lots more spaces in trains and buses

Then we can talk about equality

And as good as my chair is , it does not equal a pair of working legs

And think you will find is tough not tuff

Helen, go and read about the social model of disability. You might learn something.

I'm off. I have a bus to catch into town (or, as some might see it, a space to selfishly occupy that some delicate baby might need when I could jolly well wheel myself 7 miles into town )

LMAO at some of the rubbish here, trying to work out which piee of crap info is best.

Personally am stuck between free cars for all disabled people, and people don;t need to use a bus if they have a powered chair. LMAO. Used to commute 15 miles each way for work with a buggy half of it (where Mum would meet me and take boys)- hardly going to see a powered chair zooming past me on the A38 to get to work!

Euqlaity means a level playing field

So equality of work means access to transport to work- access that is not available to someone in a chair without specialist provision.

People REALLY should not talk about things they clearly do not understand. It is not hard to look up the DDA and equality info and learn.

Helen

Congrats on your education

Clearly my almost complete MA in Autism means nothing, and I am not educated.

PS Kal is right- all mine seemed very NT until they hit 3 years old and either stopped developing typically or regressed. I wouldn't wish that on anyone but think it is wise for people to realise nothing is for certain. And we don't have ring and ride here. Or a train station (yet). Postcode lottery etc. Thank goodness we have 2 cars, sadly that is unlikely to last unless I can find a job.

if you had read my posts i did say i only had an issue if there was no other space.

a difference of opinion does not make you ignorant or stupid. infact not listening to others thoughts and feelings is much more narrowminded.

I am pretty sure that somewhere in the depths of the 2011 part of this thread, Kladdkaka and I retreated behind her sofa and never emerged again. I think we might occasionally have thrown buns though.

Anyway, I now have a buggy. I am entitled to an opinion on this issue as an occasional buggy/bus combo user.

It's a wheelchair space. Buggies can use it if it is not needed by one of the people for whom it is intended. Buggies outnumber wheelchair users by a very large ratio so if every buggy user refuses to fold/get off, wheelchair users will simply never be able to use the bus.

The faux helplessness of some people is just staggering. I can't possibly manage - I have a baaaaaybee. Of course you can manage - you just choose not to and it is pathetic.

I have a 2 month old and a 2 1/2 year-old. I bought a cheap quinny zapp on ebay. The baby always goes in the sling and I fold the buggy half down while waiting for the bus then there is no issue of whether or not I can get on. If DS1 is asleep then he just has to wake up and walk - he hasn't died yet.

If you are an able-bodied person with children with no health conditions then there are multiple options available to you for managing this issue. If you are a partially-paralysed wheelchair user you have only one option, and unfortunately that is to rely upon the common sense and fairness of those around you. This thread suggests that is not a particularly appealing prospect.

Any able-bodied parent who refuses to fold/get off is an utter arse to be honest.

2SHOES!!!

I haven't seen you for ages!