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to say this to all the teachers who are striking next week

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Memoo · 24/11/2011 14:18

As a parent I am 100 % behind you.

I really appreciate that you put your life and soul into your job and im sorry more people don't get just how hard you work for the benefit of our children.

Don't let the bastards grind you down!

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fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 25/11/2011 09:20

Go Teachers go..errr except my DD's! GrinBlush

FontSnob · 25/11/2011 09:21

Oh do get over yourself Swedeheart. You have to write down conversations that you have with people in the 'real' world then do you! Interesting that the only word you saw out of everything I wrote was paperwork. That has indeed shown you up for your own ignorant view of teaching. I have also worked in the 'real world' and the goal posts weren't moved on a yearly basis.

nc332 · 25/11/2011 09:22

Well said OMG. The bit that these people (teachers) fail to understand is that by going through with this, they stand the risk of sending our country the way of Italy, Greece and Portugal - there is no more money - where do they want the government to magic it from to support their gold plated pensions? My private pension has been slashed - perhaps I should sit outside my house with a banner and protest?

bossboggle · 25/11/2011 09:22

Fontsnob - totally agree with the paperwork side of it - it's nuts!! SwedeHeart - yep paperwork is involved in lots of jobs but most people don't have to attempt to do paperwork and teach (er babysit!!) a classroom of children each day - same about nursing - too much paperwork and not enough nursing ... okay lets run with this one - er sorry the teachers/nurses can only do a four day week because they are busy doing the paperwork that is required so it is filed etc etc etc... You have to get someone else in whilst the teachers and nurses are busy filling out forms, filing reports etc........ it happens too often!!

BoneyBackJefferson · 25/11/2011 09:27

SwedeHeart

"This is the real world. Not the cushioned public service world."

So next it will be "those that can" etc

usually (as in this case) spoken by those that don't have a clue.

FontSnob · 25/11/2011 09:28

So there is the crux of the issue, there is a thousand more for every person who hold the same opinion as swede. Public sector workers don't know they're born, great pay, cushy pension, no idea what life is like out in the real world. Let's bring them down a peg or two. We pay their wages. We the tax payer has the final say. Paperwork, you wouldn't know paperwork if you were hit with a Filofax full of it. Yada Yada.

If I had a pound every time someone said I don't work in the real world, I wouldn't need a pension.

BoneyBackJefferson · 25/11/2011 09:29

nc332

"gold plated pensions"

Just a few more and I will have bullshit bingo.

FontSnob · 25/11/2011 09:30

Nc322 so will the public sector be taking the blame if we become a bankrupt country? How very convenient!

iggly2 · 25/11/2011 09:31

okay how about this:

www.public-sector-pensions-commission.org.uk/wp-content/themes/pspc/images/Public-Sector-Pensions-Commission-Report.pdf

very scary reading. They say in theory 20% funded by (eg) teachers 6.4% and employer (ie govenment 14%) in actual effect can end up costing up to 40% of value of earnings.

SwedeHeart · 25/11/2011 09:32

OMgooness. If I hated a job as much as teachers seem then I would leave.
I know people who are teachers and they are all MOANING MINNIES. The rest of us, suck it up and get on with things.

The rest of us being hard working private sector employees.

FontSnob · 25/11/2011 09:35

Well done swede, shown yourself up there haven't you. I love teaching, I hate the unnecessary bullshit. The only time I talk about my job to others is when I'm defending it.

FontSnob · 25/11/2011 09:36

Your ignorance really does speak for itself, swede.

BoneyBackJefferson · 25/11/2011 09:38

SwedeHeart

If teachers hated the job they/we wouldn't be fighting so hard to stay in it. :)

iggly2

Thanks its alot to go through.
haven't read it all but the first section on transparency rings true,
and its were the government is falling down, it is not being transparent with numbers, its just spinning them.

IwanttobeShirleyValentine · 25/11/2011 09:40

Shouldnt have past governments stopped allowing people to sign upto pension plans they had inklings about not being to fund them years ago (instead of ignore it and brush it under the carpet as they knew it would not be a popluar vote winner, and they could at that time get away with brushing it under the carpet)?

I support all public workers who want to strike. Am not a public sector worker myself but would be mightily pissed off if I signed up for something 10 to 20 years ago, contributed to it then got told I was not going to get what I expected to.

Wish more people in this country had a bit more back bone and strike for their beliefs! The French are always on strike for one thing or another! Brits just moan like buggery then roll over and let decisions be made!

iggly2 · 25/11/2011 09:43

we are talking trillions unfunded in pensions (that is just the public pension component). The state pension is not fully funded either (those retiring get on average 115% out of the system compared to what they put in, though some of that is due to public sector as well). Our children are in trouble I will be upset if my DS stays in this country.

iggly2 · 25/11/2011 09:44

Cheers technophobe here.

SwedeHeart · 25/11/2011 09:45

Fontsnob - it really does feel as if you want a big argument with me. Sorry, can't do it.

I've worked public and private and know what it's all about. I also have friends, who I love, who are teachers. They too complain about their conditions. I really have to bite my tongue when they do that. As much as I love my friends ( there are 2 of them and they are so lovely) they really have NO IDEA of the real world, and the the real working

I have worked public and private. Have you?

Aahh · 25/11/2011 09:47

Full support for all those going on strike.
As an ex nurse, I fully appreciate the rubbish public workers have to put up with on a daily basis.
But more importantly how undervalued they are and how lost we would all be if they all decided to quit for longer then a day.
So well done guys and I will be supporting you on the day

iggly2 · 25/11/2011 09:48

IwanttobeShirleyValentine

"I support all public workers who want to strike. Am not a public sector worker myself but would be mightily pissed off if I signed up for something 10 to 20 years ago, contributed to it then got told I was not going to get what I expected to." ....But this is not the case see my previous post below

If you have paid into the old scheme for 15 years you still get the 15/60 or the 15/80 x your final salary (along with a lump sum of 3 x this annual pension if you opted for the 15/80 option). The final salary will be the one you get at original final pension age. This is payable at original retirement age as previously agreed. What you paid for you get. If you have less than 10 years to retire you have no alterations to pension.

After this though (the idea is 2015) onwards your contributions move to the new pension scheme (this maybe career average linked-infact very likely). Contributions will increase (this is planned to be staggered). You can of course opt out, change job......... This will still be a great index linked (CPI) pension scheme with protection for spouse/partner.

The only problem I occasionally think is unfair is the switch from RPI to CPI and this is to be challenged in court. As contributions had been paid in expecting RPI.

FontSnob · 25/11/2011 09:48

Yes, yes I have. And as for who wants the argument, it is you spouting th usual bollocks about the real world and hard working private sector workers. Were you a teacher then?

omgomgomg · 25/11/2011 10:01

LadyPeter,

"The government", whether you work for them or not have been responsible for extending pension age for private sector workers and reducing returns on investments partly through stealth tax and partly through believing they had eliminated boom and bust economic cycles and not having anything in reserve for a rainy day let alone a string of rainy days (aka worldwide recession). All sections of the public are living longer and hence need retirement age/pension costs/provisions adjusting accordingly.

Please read up on what has happened to the world of pensions outside of the public sector bubble if you want to truly show some solidarity with all workers in your rage against the (previous) government rather than restricting it to them as your employer at this point in time.

The Unions are mobilising on some glib phrases such as

"protecting services for future generations" - Logically though at a time when funds are in very short supply surely it is obvious that if there is to be no change in how much a public sector worker costs in salary and pension contributions then there will just have to be less of them. How does fighting for no change in the cost of their pension provision therefore protect their jobs and services as a whole ?

"this shouldn't be a race to the bottom" - Do the public sector have trouble recruiting at levels where the changes will hit hardest ? No, where they have trouble recruiting is a further down the payscale closer to NMW type roles, carers etc. It has been explained that the lower paid workers will not be affected in the same way as the higher paid. So surely this brings up the bottom line of remuneration package for the lower paid ?

Read up people, don't be Union sheep. Fight for your remuneration package if you want too, it is your right to do so. That's the good thing about what Unions have achieved over the years, but don't dress it up as being about either of the above two phrases touted by the unions as the noble causes.

When Labour were fleecing private sector pensions the public sector, by and large, supported Labour as the defender of public services into which funds were injected and I for one, having worked in the public sector for a number of years, would have put money on the fact that most of it would end up in remuneration rather than service improvement. When they came after private sector pensions the public sector worker genrally wasn't bothered and supported Labour, now the national debt needs bringing down to a manageable level, don't be surprised when you haven't got the support of the private sector who have already gone through the process and adjusted their pension planning process accordingly. In fighting for maintaining your remuneration package at its current level you are asking the private sector workers to share in topping up your pension funding as well as attending to their own.

BoffinMum · 25/11/2011 10:05

I am behind you. Government policy at the moment with regard to teachers is completely chaotic and it doesn't have to be. I am writing a paper about it and as a school governor I have given the staff my full backing for this.

craigslittleangel · 25/11/2011 10:13

Are people really implying that by going on strike we will send the country into a down hill spiral like Greece, Spain and Italy? Perhaps we should also refrain from singing in the bath incase we add to noise polution!

Seriously people. Teachers do get it. An understanding of this world, the next world and the real world help with the job. Striking is about more then pensions. Has this not been made clear on this thred?