To think everyone wants to have their cake and eat it?

[AngryFeet]

So our country is fucked financially. So we need to make cut backs? But all everyone is doing is moaning about said cut backs and trying to stop them happening.

I am not a big fan of politicians but it seems like they cannot win. It is all very well moaning about what they have done in the past (and I am talking about Labour and the Tories here) but that doesn't help us get ourselves out of the crisis.

Where do people think cut backs should be made? Or are they olnly happy if it is other people making sacrifices not themselves?

I agree that those things should be next on the list, but not having your health is worse than not having a decent home.

Without your health you have nothing, and if you have your health you are blessed, even if that's all you have.

Some of the health cuts are quite frightening. I heard that in my old area they are no longer removing gallbladders until it progresses to the acute stage. Having had gallstones that never reached anywhere near that stage I'm horrified. Even in a non acute stage the pain indescribeable, worse than childbirth. I was reaching the point where I would have cut it out myself if I'd had to.

DS1 only yesterday, given the choice walking through town, said he both wanted to go and have cake in a cafe AND wanted to buy cake from a shop to have later on.

I informed him he was the living embodiment of a cliche.

He just gave me a hard stare.

I think it is utterly bizarre that people seem to have fallen hook, line and sinker for the 'fight it out amongst yourselves' line the government is so keen to perpetuate.

Will Hutton wrote a very good article on the cuts when they were being proposed- Here. It's still relevant IMO. I'm shocked that nobody ever questions the need for such cuts.

The ultimate question is cake or death?

What other thread Norfolk? Please link and I will read it then I can escape from these mad cake loving lunatics.

PLease explain how me giving up eating cake is going to help the country?

Loads of people want the moon on an effing stick.

I despise Labour and the Tories equally (and the Lib Dems depisability has shot up at a phenomenal rate), and they're both making stupid promises. Neither of their plans add up.

The choice is between cutting a f*ck of a lot more than either of them are talking about, or putting taxes up big-time, or some mix of the two.

The austerity so far is devastating for those affected, and it's going to get worse:

• The planned cuts have only just started.
• The planned cuts are premised on wildly optimistic growth assumptions.

I blame the cupcakes trend. They are everywhere. I went to buy some duvet covers and they all had cupcake design on them.

I prefer muffins. Banana and walnut.

Yes indeed, the coalition government has banged on about the need for cuts so much that some people have ceased to question whether or not there actually is a need to cut spending at all.

Cuts that lead to more people being unemployed will not do the economy any good at all.

Do not be fooled, the tories want to make cuts because they believe in minimising the state, not because they counting the pennies and rummaging down the back of the sofa for small change.

All I can think of now is Lemon curd cake... thank you, ViviPru!

I agree with Shroeder, the tories always had the intention of rolling back the welfare state and giving free rein to big business. this recession is the perfect cover for their longterm aims.

If anyone is interested I made my first Christmas Cake on Tuesday, I'm not going with the traditional Icing though, I thought I would do a 'Nightmare before christmas' theme instead.

Oooh yes, Cameltoe... will you be posting a picture? I love 'Nightmare before Christmas'.

I might do, just so I can show off my suprerior cake baking and decorating skills

The teachers strike one OP

The government are fucking laughing at us fighting over a few wee scraps.

1. Close tax loopholes so Philip green can't put it in his wife's name (who 'lives' abroad)
2. Raise business taxes so that CEO's can't earn hundreds of times their employees wages
3. Raise minimum wage
4. Introduce a universal credit
5. Don't tax those on under 10k
6. Raise tax to 50% on those earning greater than 150k
7. Raise council tax so that there is a greater disparity between the lowest and the highest - if you live in band g and your house is 'worth' 3 million quid why are you only paying double a band c 100k house???
8. Massive programme of housebuilding - only 4% of UK is built on - this will bring down property prices naturally over time
9. Stop spending a lot on chasing benefit fraudsters - it's inefficient since there's more unclaimed than fraudulently obtained

10. The bankers NEED to pay the public subsidy back. And cap bonuses and the squillion pound pension of Fred the shred.

11. Pay MPs a variable salary linked to the national average.

12. Laurie, will you please marry me?

Due to cutbacks, I have today lost dh's nurse. It was the only two hours a week I got to do other things (sleep or bath, usually). He was the only other person he saw each week. We may get another, but we don't know when, or for how long. Sodding cutbacks.
May I have some cake now, please?

Laurie is lovely

Laurie is lovely

Laurie is lovely

Oh fuckety fuck! what happened there?

Is some sort of sign that I should not be here?

Well the fucking MPs could start with taking a massive paycut couldn't they. And then cut down on their "expenses" and let them take a cut to their pensions too. That would probably solve the country's debt and put us back into bloody credit.

And then maybe DH wouldn't have to be losing £2.5k a year in pay for doing the same hours.

MPs bunch of bloody wankers the lot of them!