to think benefits should be capped at minimum wage

[moogster1a]

A little idea that all benefits should be capped at a weeks worth of minimum wage; so 37 and half hours times whatever minimum wage is now ( £6 pounds odd ).
That way no one gets paid more for sitting at home than they would for going out to work.
Out of this, all rent prescriptions etc. should be paid, the same as most people in low paid jobs have to pay for everything.
it might also provide an incentive to go out to work to up your wages if you progress in a company.
Just think it would be a lot fairer.

oh and I neither drink or smoke so i would resent being told its food vouchers only .Erm what about cleaning equipment or is that a seperate voucher scheme .Who would take it becuase that means having to shop in one suprmarket no more shopping round for the best deals

I haven't seen anyone on MN say there shouldn't be benefits for disabled people.

molly3478, acceptable is a subjective term. Penalising children and throwing them into further poverty when they are already hugely disadvantaged is far less acceptable.

I don't think this thread will end well.

ohfoamit

I can add another to your list that do not qualify for free prescriptions

.Spinal cord injury and the associated complications of bowel and bladder also pain , and afew more extras

Th sis not about disability. It's about the unfairness that those who work very hard are often no better off than those who are at home.

Work for benefits is another way to make things fairer. I am sure we are moving in that direction and all will be well.

I would never blame anyone for not working if that pays them more or it's easier so it's the system not people which needs to be changed.

hmm so thos escrounger son ESa and Dla that only have to fill in a form no medical check up .Or the free car .

Am hiding this thread. Life is stressful enough.

I am not saying through them into poverty but make it worthwhile working. All my friends that do this are brazen about it why would they do it when they would often lose money as they would have to put in 30% to childcare. Its not worth it they might as well both not bother and spend the time at home with the kids helping each other out.

xenia

Sorry in the real world everyone gets put in the pile together disabled or not Lazy or deserving poor .We are still coming up agains the same attitudes so how would you say well ok no vouchers for me and my family but hey joe blogs next door here you go vouchers only for you.

And it has already been shown in various threads people on long term jsa are doing training courses for Jsa full week for it when infact big companys are useing a scheap labour rather than employing someone on a proper wage

I would like schools to provide wrap around care for working parents and three free meals for families on benefits. Then the benefits paid to the family can be cut and children protected

I agree Molly DLA and other benefits of those types are different, but those who can work should have much more incentive to work. But even those on DLA type benefits for things like depression surely it would be helpful if they could get help to find something to do outside of the home. I know this is massively simplistic but I have a disabled brother who also suffers from depression and he does voluntary work outside of the home which has helped his mental health massively. I know this wouldn't work for everyone but I do think it would help a lot of people.

Gods - do you really think that some poeple are unemployable? If so is that bacuase they have not had any experience in the workplce? If this is the case then surely an enforced community role for those on benefits long term who can work could help.

FFs this is what pisses me off about mn-you cannot say one thing about the laughable state of the benefits culture in this country without being labeled a benefit basher!

No I dont want to raise tax to 50%-my dh already works nearly 60 hours a week to support his own family. Why the fuck should he pay more tax to pay for someone else's?

Genuine claimants deserve to be looked after but lets stop this pretence that is rife on here that there arent ALOT of people who see benefits as a lifestyle choice because thats just arrant nonsense0I see it with my own eyes every day.

How long til the next poster says I am a benefit basher.....

Personally I'm a fan of the idea of a universal benefit whereby every man, woman and child in the uk receives a fixed amount of income. An amount that prevents anyone living below the poverty line.

Whatever a person earns on top of that they keep. This would make it more than worthwhile for people to take work. It would also mean that people would be prepared to take seasonal work, overtime etc wihtout fear of their benefits being messed with...

But you are.

You know you are

just sayin

The OP didn't mention disability, it states that: ALL benefits should be capped at minimum wage

UB would also be much cheaper to administer.

Reeling, yes, I do think childcare should only be free for the first two children. Having children is a privelidge, not a right, and if you want the privelidge of having three children then you shuld pay for it.

You would still benefit from free childcare for the first two, free nursery education, free school education, free healtcare and prescriptions for all of those children, so what's the problem?

If you don't want to struggle when you have a third, save up before having a third.

Human - but you are saying that the system can't be changed for those that CAN owrk becuase of society's attitude to those on benfits of any kind. Surely both things need to be changed rather than just ducking out of it becuase of some peoples' prejudices.

mrsdevere-no I am not. As I have said before-I have claimed benefits before and actually I have an illness now that I could probably claim for but I choose not too as I dont want to have to explain myself constantly to people.

I have no problem with people who genuinely cant work getting help. We need to look after those people-its our duty.

Its not our duty to allow people to remain on benefits when they are perfectly capable of working but choose not to because it pays for them to remain on benefits. Thats simply not fair.

I think wordfactorys idea is a good idea. It would be good for people as well there wouldnt be so many people hanging around getting stoned/drunk in the kids parks and on the streets if this happened. I think its boredom and when your both at home all day its depressing after a while.

Essential safety equipment such as a track hoist is classed as an adaptation when affixed by screws to a dwelling, and is disbursed from the Disabled Facilities Grant mechanism, which is up to £36,000 over a lifetime and is means tested and puts various restrictions on moving house. This is a benefit.

If the same hoist is not screwed in, but fixed using pressure plates, it's disbursed from the PCT-as-was and is healthcare.

Assistive technology of cost £600 and under may be procured without panel review, but technology over this amount will go to panel. Do either of these provisions count as a benefit? What is your opinion? In what scenarios should we means test to procure a speaking computer for someone with advanced muscular dystrophy? I'm eager to know your considered opinion.

Which ones should come out of this £228, do you reckon?

Wheelchairs for complex needs are not provided free of charge, but a voucher scheme is available wherein the NHS contributes part of the cost and you make up the rest, normally from DLA. In our case the NHS contributed about £330 to the cost of a £1400 chair. We can then cite this as a COD-E to protect some of the DLA being double-levied for care charges. So which part is a benefit?

What do you MEAN when you say benefits?

pinkforever

I have the right to give my viewpoint just as much as you do .Or am I meant to keep quiet and just be greatfull .

thank you DawnDonna exactly what i was saying .So All benefits she did not say bar ... or .....

Also, I think disability benefits are very different to benefits recieved by people who are able to work. Of course people who are disabled to the point where they can't work should recieve state help, and they should get a lot more than they get now. Anyone who is registered disabled should get free prescriptions, so people that are badly affected by MS or spinal chord injury would not have to pay for prescriptions. But not everyone who is registered disabled is incapable of work, so the whole system needs to be changed so that genuine need is not in the same catergory as people who won't work or who have children that they know they will be unable to provide for themselves.

The welfare state should be a safety net, not a lifestyle choice.

I agree that no one should have to pay tax on the first £10,000 earned. It would be much much fairer.

Eh where did I say you couldnt give your view point human?

I just said that those who question the benefits culture get shouted down on here with calls of benefit basher.

So actually its ME thats not allowed to express my opinion-not you!

acumenin yep Im still waiting for my wheelchair assement urgent one this is .I was given a temporay chair that is no good and to small .

Now what the nhs offers is heavy cumbersome and no good .So I will take the couhcer scheme of think is £500 and need to find the other 2.5 k to get the chair that is right for me .

yep a cooker i can use is adaption is classed as a benefit