To Think Global Warming Can't Be All Bad?

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My carefully planted main crop tomatoes are long finished; but the runty little seedlings I dumped on the compost heap are doing great and still producing lovely toms in the last third of Nov!

AIBU to rather approve of this global warming thing?

Efficient, that was meant to be.

I quite liked the video.

not very good at links, but people who asked where i got my info from
please google 'judith curry candid comments from climate scientists'

"sardine, if only 10% of the money that the EU has spent on the CAGW scam had been spent on researching water supply and purification, every child on the planet would have clean drinking water."

And? What does that have to do with teh principle that clean energy is better than polluting energy?

That's rubbish anyway as the reasons children don't have clean drinking water have nothing to do with money in many areas.

And what about the immense problems caused by big business - polluting drinking water amongst other thing - it should be down to them to sort if out not governments.

It depends which data set you look at this graph does appear to show a flattening over the past decade.
However if you look at the graphs of other data sets you can see that the 5 year running mean does show a continuing rise.

Oldmac, which data sets have you been looking at re ocean temperatures?

Important to note that 'global warming' was renamed 'climate change' because it meant that people mistakenly use cold winters to demonstrate that climate change does not exist, whereas they do nothing of the sort.

I liked the video clip.

I especially liked the bit about Copenhagen. MOST amusing. And rather MN.

So Fuck Em is your answer, basically, whatmeworry.

And a total failure to accept that our country is wealthy enough that no-one should be dying of the cold.

Agree with whatmeworry. This was what I meant before when I said energy should be going into considering how to manage change. If there is a significant change ( which I am not convinced will happen) areas of productivity will change and there will be movements of people. It will be unsettling at best and possibly awful, but that is how human history goes...

Not very surprised TBH.

Oh there;s too many of em
Stupid bastards are living in the wrong place
Why should I do anything about that as long as something bad is happening to someone in the UK ever
Fuck em

Insular small minded short sighted thinking of the worst kind.

ragged. You are spot on there. I am a sceptic for one reason
global warming is anti-scientific.

a good scientific theory is one that can be proven wrong. Einstein said 'here is my theory, here are ten ways you can prove that I am wrong'

so that was a good theory.

Global warming says, 'here is my theory, spend all your loot on changing the way society works, change all you your energy sources and go and freeze in the dark. And you will just have to trust us, for there is no way you can prove us wrong'

its a religion

If there are 10 ways to prove a theory wrong then it is a shit theory, oldmac, not a good one.

You seem to have an endeveloped grasp of how science works.

Yup, millenarianism. Or Anti-capitalist ideology.

So how many on here disagree with the principle of moving away from fossil fuels to less polluting forms of energy?

oh you bad kitten.

I have not been looking at ocean temperatures, but I agree its a bit daft to concentrate on atmospheric temps, when the oceans hold a vast amount more of the planets heat.

Ice extent is more dependant upon winds anyway, apparently. As was discovered last year I think.

Think about it. If the temperature never gets above -20, how on earth is an air temp of -19.9999 going to make the ice melt ?

If the oceans have warmed, why hasnt it been picked up by the argos bouys ?

sardine. Einstein was a great scientist.

when the experiments were duly carried out, they failed to falsify his theories.

Of course, the nutrinos at CERN this week may have something to say to Einstein :(

"Einstein said 'here is my theory, here are ten ways you can prove that I am wrong'

so that was a good theory."

So you were talking rubbish in your previous post then. And said the opposite of what you meant. Not a mistake that someone who has any idea about science would make TBH. It wasn't a type, it was a total failure to understand what was being said.

I love science today. It's so logical; and sensible.

We're all doomed, but we'll go out with a nice tan and making our own pina coladas growing coconuts in Edinburgh.

But maybe, just maybe, if we recycle enough jam jars, then we will stave off the otherwise inevitable extinction level event.

sorry missed the beginning off

"a good scientific theory is one that can be proven wrong. Einstein said 'here is my theory, here are ten ways you can prove that I am wrong'

so that was a good theory."

So Fuck Em is your answer, basically.....And a total failure to accept that our country is wealthy enough that no-one should be dying of the cold

Sardine, it's not my answer, I'm telling you what reality looks like - it is the will of your fellow citizens. Feel free to agitate to get a few more millions spent on overseas aid rather than keeping British pensioners warm to keep your fluffy, caring conscience happy but don t be surprised if many of your fellow citizens would want to punch you in the face instead.

Look, I'm in Australia, and because of this green ideology no one can build new (conventional) energy infrastructure or dams, despite the fact that our population is increasing dramatically. On very cold and very hot days there are power failures because of demand. It suits the energy companies, I think, because they can just put up the prices without having to invest money. I lived through six years of drought in Canberra, where we couldn't water our gardens (couldn't have a veggie garden or anything) and the place was a dustbowl. It was put down to climate change. Then when the drought ended (normal cycle of drought then wet) the greenies fought against the lifting of the water restrictrions. As though there was something virtuous about not using water (even when the dam was full) and letting all the gardens die.

So, in principle, I think we should embrace the technology we have.

So how many on here disagree with the principle of moving away from fossil fuels to less polluting forms of energy?

Great idea - now point to one that is.....

Thats right.
he said, if time moves at the same rate at different velocities, I am wrong.

of course it was a few years before anyone managed to set up the experiment.

he also said that nothing could exceed the speed of light, if we found something that could, he was wrong

and now we have the nutrinos :(

Do you want all those currently living in Warner climates to all cram onto the milder climate countries like our one?

If our country warms up and becomes lovely and sunny often, then the warm countries will become too hot for people to comfortably live and they'll move.

There are in fact ways that the theory of global warming could be disproved. So, for example - satellites have measured a decrease in infrared radiation escaping out into space at exactly the frequencies that CO2 absorbs. If this wasn't the case, that would be evidence against an increased greenhouse effect.

With warming caused by a greenhouse effect you'd expect nights to warm faster than days, and, yup, that's what scientists have found.

You'd also expect cooling in the upper atmosphere, and again that's what's found...

Climate science is based on a bit more than just the graphs of CO2 and temperature both rising (though those are obviously important).

"Feel free to agitate to get a few more millions spent on overseas aid rather than keeping British pensioners "

That's not what I want.
I want to move away from dependence on highly polluting fossil fuels and to cleaner renewable alternatives.

I am surprised (as ever) to find that this is a view which is met with such outrage. It's very peculiar really.