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AIBU re teenage DS and pocket money

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duckdodgers · 12/11/2011 14:46

Ive just had a huge row with DS1 whos 18 and I'm really upset, I dont think Im being unreasonable but need to know am I? Its all about money.

Background - he works part time (a milk round before college, collecting the money 2 days after college) and gets £20 a week wages plus tips usually takes it to £50-£55 a week. Hes also got a college bursary of £75 a week, so altogether he gets £125 a week. Out of which he pays his college travel expenses (about £20 a week), his lunches at college for 3 days, its only food because we buy him a crate of flavoured water from a cash n carry at the start of the month to do him.

Up until this month we were also giving him £45 a month pocket money and paying his contract phone, about another £40 a month and buying all his toiletries, about £15-£20 a month.

I've just told him we are stopping his pocket money and had a whole lot of attitude. Dont get me wrong hes generally a decent boy whose not gave us much grief, but I probably do, or have spoiled him at times, I was a single parent before I met my DH who has raised him since he was 4 and he calls Dad, and I now have another 2 DSs who are 3 and 9.

We are not poor but not well off either - I'm a Nurse working Monday-Friday and DH works part time at weekends and is a SAHD through the week. He's recently just registered as a Childminder to try and up our income but so far has no children yet.

As everyone knows bills are just rising and rising. I warned DS1 that I would "fine" him £5 every time I got up during the night and found his TV on - he has a habit of watching TV in bed and falling asleep, therefore a complete waste of electricity, and our bill is high enough.

Well when I told him I was sticking to this "fine" as I was up at 5 this morning, his TV was on and he was fast asleep (we actually owe him some money so I will just take it off that) he's just accused me of thinking up ways to take money off him and that we should be grateful as we are saving money compared to when he was at school (probably true as we gave him £12.50 a week then for lunches).

Basically I told him if he thought he was getting a raw deal he should find somewhere else to live (the last thing I want), he knows he wouldn't be able to. And its about teaching himj to contribute to household expenses, for the first couple bursary payments I let it go as he was buying loads new clothes, as we don't buy him clothes (the stuff he wants is too expensive) apart from at Christmas.

But AIBU to stop his pocket money and "fine" him? I'm at the end of my tether regarding the TV thing as its all the time. I am still going to pay his phone and buy his toiletries.

Hes just apologised for giving me attitude which makes me feel a bit better.Smile

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sharondaw · 12/11/2011 14:50

I agree with everything you are saying Ducks. As soon as mine went to college and got part time jobs all spends were stopped,use to pay for trams to college and lunch. If they wanted anything else it came out of their wages.

troisgarcons · 12/11/2011 14:52

No I dont think YABU at all.

He's 18, ok jhhe's at college, but he's getting a hotel, maid, laundry and room service for free. He should be earning, as well, and managing his money.

Do what I do - throw the trip switch when I go to bed - that stops them falling asleep with the telly on Grin

"waving arms round expansively and sounding like a geriatric old fart" Kids/young adults what ever you want to call them have no idea what financial responsibility means; neither do they understand exactly how the costs of things are rising and wages are not keeping pace.

If he's getting £125 a month, then stop his 'pocket money', pay the mobile contract (cant you get cheaper than 45 a month?) and I'd make him buy his own deodorant too.

mumeeee · 12/11/2011 14:57

Ducks YANBU we always said to our DDs that when they got a job then we would stop giving them an allowance. That happened with DD1 and DD2. DD3 is 19 and still at college. We do still give her an allowance as she has nor got a job although she has tried hard to find one. Saying that she only has £35 a month and pays for her phone out of that. MIL does give her money sometimes and we pay all her college expenses.

duckdodgers · 12/11/2011 14:59

Thanks sharon, he just has the knack to make me feel like the most unreasonable Mum on the planet!

Thanks trois - although I should point out he does all his own washing as he refuses to let me and DH touch his clothes Grin But yes everything else you say is true.

Thats absolutely inspired regarding the trip switch, I like your style. Sadly me and DH are in bed for 10-11pm and I don't mind him watching it a bit later, as long as he puts the thing off.

And hes getting £125 a week - so £500 a month!!

DH is about a year into a 2 year contract, his and my phones are cheaper but DS1s was this much because he wanted a Samsung Galaxy phone and his allowance of texts is much higher. But will keep it in mind for when it ends, thanks.

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mumeeee · 12/11/2011 15:01

Why does his Phone cost £40? DD3 is on Giffgaff and it's £10 a month. She gets 250 minutes and unlimited texts and Internet.

marriedinwhite · 12/11/2011 15:01

DS is 17 and in 6th Form: He gets: lunches and fares paid, phone contract: £25 pcm, general spends probably about £60-£70pcm, I pay for all his toiletries and clothes - probably about £500/600 per year. He does not have a part-time job (may be a bit of babysitting and he did do a little job over the summer hols which totalled about £200).

I think we are very generous. We also can easily afford it and could afford a great deal more but what he has, I believe is reasonable. He certainly does not have a tv in his room.

troisgarcons · 12/11/2011 15:02

£125 a week - thats actually £6,500 per annum...... you are subsidising him to the tune of £540 per annum for the phone and £480 'pocket money' .... he's getting the sum of £7,520 a year.

Try putting it to him like that.

duckdodgers · 12/11/2011 15:04

Mummeeee not sure, DH had problems with getting contract phones in the past due to past credit difficulties so Orange was the only ones to give us a contract. Mine is only £10 a month and DHs is about £30 but he has an I phone.

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Squishylicious · 12/11/2011 15:10

Unreasonable? Grin I wish my mum had given me that kind of pocket money!! I worked from 16 whilst at college. I paid for my bus fare and dinner. I didn't want to pay for a contract phone so I didn't get one. I paid for my own toiletries and my own clothes.

Dawndonna · 12/11/2011 15:13

YANBU.
My kids have been fined 10 or 20p from their pocket money since they were about twelve, for leaving on lights, stereos, televisions, whatever.
If you are not charging him for rent and food at home £125.00 per week is good money.
Ds1 is looking over my shoulder and has just pointed out that as a working man, he has less than that after bills and rent on his place, and before food.
Your Ds is doing fine and needs to learn how to manage HIS money, not yours!
He can look for a cheaper contract, and buy cheaper clothes or look for the same clothes at cheaper prices. Means getting off his butt, but he'll learn, we all did!

grovel · 12/11/2011 15:13

You are being very generous. Most adults in this country would kill to have that kind of discretionary income after rent, utilities, insurances, food etc.

NinkyNonker · 12/11/2011 15:19

That is a very expensive phone contract, and a huge amount on toiletries!

cat64 · 12/11/2011 15:21

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duckdodgers · 12/11/2011 15:23

ninky he uses 2 Lynxs a month £5, 3 different hair products that are about £3 each, shampoo, conditioner, Gillette shave gel and mouthwash Grin

Thanks everyone for not making me feel the meanest Mum alive to.

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catgirl1976 · 12/11/2011 15:24

YANBU - he is 18!! He shouldn't still be getting pocket money. He is getting fed, roof over head, he has a job and like others have said he has more disposable income than a lot of working adults.

I can understand to him its a big drop in income, but he is a grown up now......

cory · 12/11/2011 15:26

It could be that he would have been more accepting if it hadn't been pulled on him suddenly. I agree with the other posters that you have been generous to a fault, but it is human nature to see any sudden change for the worse as a disaster however well off we are.

I think it should have been staged better, more discussion of family budgets from the start and a gently graded downturn now you have to start saving. It is not his fault that you started him out on an unsustainable scale, you need to explain that and make it clear you are looking to him as an adult to be supportive. But don't back down- it's a hell of a lot of money!

marriedinwhite · 12/11/2011 15:27

2 lynx products and 3 different hair products at £3 each.

DS gets lynx when it runs out and sainos own shampoo/cond!

grovel · 12/11/2011 15:29

Is he planning to go to university?

mumeeee · 12/11/2011 15:29

Just realised when DD1 was earning as much as your son. She started paying us rent. But she was 21 by then and had just finished uni.

mumeeee · 12/11/2011 15:31

DD3 uses the toiletries that are buy in the normal weekly shop. If she wants anything special then she buys it herself.

marriedinwhite · 12/11/2011 15:33

I sort of agree with Cory but I am still aghast at how much he has had and the extent to which he has been allowed to develop such a sense of entitlement when his family clearly need to budget - the bursary in itself says a great deal.

grovel · 12/11/2011 15:33

My DS gets through Lynx even faster than he gets through loo roll. I'm pleased he takes personal hygiene seriously but .................................

troisgarcons · 12/11/2011 15:33

Tell him to grow a beard! And shave his head , thats saved him 15 quid!!!

ballstoit · 12/11/2011 15:34

Could you use his £5 fine to buy a timer switch for the plug socket, so it can only be used at certain times each day?

Otherwise I think YANBU. As soon as me and siblings had part time jobs our pocket money stopped and we were expected to pay a third of our wages in board.

grovel · 12/11/2011 15:35

To be fair to the young man he is working and the bulk of his money comes from earnings/bursary, not from the bank of Mum and Dad.