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To not agree to ban MIL- long

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LuckyRocketshipUnderpants · 10/11/2011 14:14

I?m afraid this is one of those ?parents vs MIL visiting post baby's arrival ? messes and I?m sorry it?s sooo long but there is some history which I really need to give to avoid drip feeding.

I?m expecting DC2 at Christmas. It?s my DH?s first child. I have also DD age 4 from a previous relationship.

DH's widowed mother lives about 45 minutes away. It's her first DGC, as DH is an only child himself. We see her maybe once a month or, either at our home and hers, at times that mutually suit. We all get on well. She loves DD, she?s nice to me and she?s been extremely supportive of us in various ways, including when DH became very ill with depression.

My parents live overseas. When DD was born, they bought property within walking distance of us and started spending between 3-5 months here at a time. We also used to go over to see them at least once a year.

My mother and MIL had a big shouty falling out a couple years ago. Everyone else has tried to put it behind us & move on- but my mother has since held a serious grudge against MIL.

Matters finally came to a head when my mother demanded that MIL make herself scarce for the whole of one of their visits. We?re talking 4 months. And that included us not going to see MIL. She went spectacularly off the deep end when I tried to gently but firmly explain that this was quite unreasonable, for many reasons but not the least because DH was still on the mend from serious depressive llness. As a result of not getting their way that summer, my parents chose to stop coming over to visit for extended periods- and even decided to then put their property on the market (even knowing by then that I was pregnant with DC2.) My DD, who adores them, has been more than a little confused and saddened by their absence.

So, my parents made it clear to me that they had prior plans for Christmas- and so would not be here for DC2?s birth. No problem, we said, and since we haven?t been there in awhile, we made plans to fly over to see them with both the DCs in the spring- which is about as soon as we think we could reasonably manage it.

Then last week my mother said they would like to come to visit after the birth- but they want to be certain of their ?priority access? . In other words, in order to accommodate them, my mother says it is MY responsibility to ensure that MIL is "completely banned" for the duration of their stay (however long that may be). They think that MIL gets to see the DCs ?whenever she wants? all year long- and that their reward for time, effort and expense of their coming is that everyone else now gets out their road, as per their wishes.

I told her in no uncertain terms I was not prepared to ban MIL this way. I don?t even know if MIL would in fact want be around or not while my parents are here- but I know she?d be extremely angry if it were to be suggested to her she?s in any way barred.

I totally can see how my folks want to ensure they get ?their? time with the baby and DD. But while we would make every effort to be welcoming and facilitate that as much as possible, I also think the world should not necessarily revolve exclusively around them and that it?s out of order to expect they can dicate to us this way- especially when they are coming to OUR home.

My mother is now furious and upset. And I feel I really don't need any of this stress- and especially not after I've just given birth.

What do you think-AIBU?

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heleninahandcart · 10/11/2011 18:11

Make like Easyjet and tell your DM that Priority Visiting is available only to loyal GPs signed up to the frequent visitor programme.

YANBU

duckdodgers · 10/11/2011 18:19

and seeing if she will write a letter saying sorry for what she did and how wonderful you are and thanking them for sharing their grandchild with her

Longjane - are you serious?? Wtf is this about?! Why on earth should she be thanking anyone for "sharing" a grandchild - is the Mums parents the only one that matters here - and all the Fathers family should be grateful for any contact they do get? In case you didn't know a baby is 50% of their Dad so is part if the Dads family to. Hmm

OP - ignore this mad suggestion.

mumofthreekids · 10/11/2011 18:26

YANBU to refuse to 'ban' MIL - and it is a ridiculous request.

However, ignoring all the issues between your mum and MIL, I think it is understandable that your mum feels jealous that your MIL sees a lot more of your kids than she does (totally agree they shouldn't have sold the house in that case - but still).

My friend's mum is very involved in her DD and DGC's lives - but when the ILs are visiting from Australia she makes herself scarce during their visit, to respect the fact that their time with their DS and DGCs is much more limited.

It would be awkward anyway if you all got together and not much fun for anyone.

I think you could try offering your mum an olive branch - not promising a 'ban' on MIL, but making it clear that she will not be around much, and your parents will be the main focus for your DD and new baby during their visit.

This plan does depend on how long the visit is though.

QuintessentialShadow · 10/11/2011 18:29

Yanbu. Your mother is utterly toxic. To be honest, you are better off without the drama her presence creates and demands. What an entitled diva!
Your mil sounds lovely. Please dont give in to your mum!

ThierryHenryismyBoyfriend · 10/11/2011 18:30

I agree with others, your mum is mad if she thinks that she get's to get first dibs on the grandchild. Why should your MIL miss out on the first few weeks/months of her first GC because of your mum?
Whether or not your MIL was out of order with what was said in the argument she has tried to make amends and so your mum should either let it go and make amends with her or accept that you and DH will decide who gets to see your children and when.

QuintessentialShadow · 10/11/2011 18:33

oh come on PURLEESE longjane, you cant be serious? Writing a fake suckey up letter? no no no
The reason mil sees the grandchild when she wants to is because she is a decent human being who does not engage in grudges and gameplay, buying and selling houses at a whim to please and punish her daughter as she sees fit, and trying to ban people from visiting other familY!

pictish · 10/11/2011 18:36

Well I think if we all sat and thought about it, we could all see reasons for the OP's mother to have beef....she doesn't get to see the gc as much as the mil, they fell out while the mother stuck up for her dd...etc etc...

Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter at all. The mother has no place demanding that her daughter AND HER HUSBAND ban HIS MOTHER from THEIR house for so much as a day, never mind weeks or months!!

The only answer can be NO.

And Longjane - really though? Hmm
Mynotfinkso!

exoticfruits · 10/11/2011 19:04

And actually you don't know the full extent of what was said that day so it's understandable that your mum's upset with MIL still.

It doesn't matter-it is nothing to do with OP and no need for her to be dragged in.

I think you could try offering your mum an olive branch - not promising a 'ban' on MIL, but making it clear that she will not be around much, and your parents will be the main focus for your DD and new baby during their visit.

I don't see why she should. Anyone would think this baby was a possession to squabble over and one can't have more time than another-these are adults!!! Not 3 yr olds.

My PIL and mother come when they like and I am not going to say 'stay away this week and let mother have a go'!!
As to 'thank you for sharing 'your grandchild'-words fail me!

Keep well out and just keep repeating-'this is your problem-I am having nothing to do with it'.

WhereYouLeftIt · 10/11/2011 20:03

YANBU to not agree to ban MIL. Your mother, on the other hand ...

Have you pointed out to her that she is cutting off her nose to spite her face?

chipmonkey · 10/11/2011 21:03

Your mother sounds like a 12 year old. Do not give in to her!

SarahStratton · 10/11/2011 21:13

I'd print this off and post it to her. She sounds batshit, poor old you.

LuckyRocketshipUnderpants · 10/11/2011 21:20

Just to touch on what longjane said. No, I don't know exactly what was said during the call between the mothers. I don't know for a fact that MIL said "horrible things" about me. I am sure she was critical but then, I sort of deserved it- given that I had behaved a bit badly in her home. From what I can gather, my mother gave as good as she got in return. So I'm not really sure what MIL would have to apologise for, under the circumstances. I certainly wouldn't expect her to write a letter to my parents (!), especially since MIL has tried on more than one occasion to mend fences and it's been thrown back in her face quite rudely. I could elaborate on other incidents.

I do really appreciate my mother sticking up for me, but I've explained to her on more than one occasion that it's been sorted between me and MIL- and has been for some time. We've all moved on quite nicely and actually, I would appreciate it so much more if she would drop the disproportionate grudge already.

The whole thing is just so sad. I am finding it hard to wrap my head around that my mother would rather forego meeting her new grandbaby than compromise a little bit when it comes to MIL. It is very much cutting off her nose- but I guarantee that what I am going to hear at some point in future is simply that this all came about because they "weren't invited".

I think I will send a kind but firm email reiterating they are very welcome to come, but that I will NOT be put in the middle as far as their issue with MIL goes. Unfortunately I've tried such approaches in the past and it's not helped one bit- but at least I'll know I've tried.

Also, DH and I don't want to engage in tit-for- tat emotional blackmail or threats- but all this aggro does start to make the prospect of our long and expensive transatlantic journey with two small children to see them next spring as promised rather less than appealing. :(

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exoticfruits · 11/11/2011 07:26

I good point from SugarPasteZombie-when the DC is older she will think she is a loon! How do you explain to a DC that one grandmother won't come because the other is there? Confused
I think that you just issue the invitation and leave it up to her.

pigletmania · 11/11/2011 08:03

YANBU at all, your parents are being VVVVVVVVU, selfish, childish, and self centered. How old are they? It is very unreasonable to expect your MIL not to come for the duration of the visit, you don't even know how long they will stay. Fair enough if it was a couple of weeks, but it could be a couple of months who knows? And to not let you go to your MIL Shock. I would stick by my guns, and say that this would not be possible, and tell them to grow the fuck up!

mumofthreekids · 11/11/2011 08:09

Fair enough if it was a couple of weeks, but it could be a couple of months who knows?

Given they've sold their house and will be staying with the OP (or in a hotel?), I assume the visit is only a week or two and nothing like as long as a couple of months?

Maryz · 11/11/2011 08:19

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pigletmania · 11/11/2011 08:28

Your mums behaviour is Shock. My IL used to stay with us a couple of months as they are from abroad, to ask them to stay in a hotel would have been a no no. I got so fed up of it that i told dh that they could stay for a couple of weeks. The situation between my IL and my mum sounds the same as the op, only my mum is not as immature as op mum. When IL are staying with us, which is not often at all, my mum just stays away. She usually comes every month for a week anyway.

PopcornMouse · 11/11/2011 10:26

Omg. I am impressed you're having DM & DF to stay at all, she sounds like she's harrrrrrrd work Shock

LisasCat · 11/11/2011 10:40

My mum has been a bit overbearing towards MIL (DD's 1st birthday, my mother swept in, grabbed DD from MIL and walked away with her, not giving her back - that kind of thing), but the result is that MIL and I often have chuckles together about how ridiculous my mother is, and how it's a wonder I'm sane. MIL is always our go-to GP for babysitting requests.

If my mother knew how her behaviour has actually turned MIL and me into allies, she'd be devastated, but then if I sat my mother down and tried to teach her the consequences of her behaviour to everyone on this planet, we'd be going at it until 2015.

As a result, MIL is always quite accommodating when we have to pussyfoot around my mother, because she knows that she's sparing me further grief and strengthening our relationship (and by default that of the DDs) with her.

Just wondered if telling you this story might help you see how your relationship with MIL could turn out. It's not ideal, but for an easier life it's certainly not such an awful situation to be in.

MissMap · 11/11/2011 10:46

YANBU.

It must be very distressing for you to be caught up in this situation.

I had an Aunt who would react like your Mum did. At heart she was a good person, but she had a deep lack of self confidence, which she kept well hidden. She was a successful professional person but was unsure of her own self worth. Unfortunately this was demonstrated by her being completely unreasonable if she felt that she was not being "valued".

When she was alive I did not realise what motivated her to be so very unreasonable and intransigent on occasion. I only began to understand her behaviour more as I matured myself.

I have no real advice to offer you other than to say let your Mum know how much you love and need her and rely on her support. Having said that I do not think you should give in to her unreasonable demands.

I hope that things resolve for you.

piprabbit · 11/11/2011 10:55

TBH I would quietly ignore your mum's request. Don't make a big song and dance about it, just stick to your point that 'you don't think it will be possible or reasonable to MIL away'.

After that, just leave it. Don't do any more running around, paying your mum lots of attention and feeding in to the whole dramatic scenario. Let her make her own choice about spending time with her DD and GCs. If she makes the choice to cut contact then that it her decision, and says an awful lot about whether she is the sort of person who you might want to have a continuing close relationship to.

LuckyRocketshipUnderpants · 11/11/2011 11:00

I confess that since it was clear I wasn't going to meet their terms and conditions on "priority access", we didn't even get as far as discussing length of visit.

But just to clarify, their property is on the market yet hasn't actually been sold. It's still furnished- and so they actually do have a place of their own to stay if they want.

I don't think we'd ever agree to outright MIL banning no matter how long they were here, although there there might have been more willingness all around to make some sort of concession if it was a relatively short visit. But part of the problem is my mum has a pretty weird attitude on that front too. She actually once said to me, in all seriousness, that she considered 4 months to be a "short stay".

The last time they came, it was only for two weeks. At their request, they took DD on a big trip out of town for 4 days. That was a lovely thing for them to do, to be sure. However, despite my offering to do all sorts of juggling to DD's schedule (including a rare request to her dad to ask if he would mind cancelling his usual visitation during their visit) then they declined to see her- at all- for the rest of their stay! DH and I thought it was odd but we left it up to them as their choice. However, it's just one more reason that we are especially resistant about issuing ultimatums or even requests to other family members about staying away-since there's every chance that having come all the way over, they may or may not actually want to spend that much time with the DCs!

Maryz- You have a good point. We've already been talking to DD a lot about about how DH is the baby's daddy and he is her step daddy but that he loves her just the same. She seems OK about it all. We've been together since she was 14 months old and he is a great father figure to her as much as he is able, bearing in mind she does have an involved bio dad.

I am beginning to worry, increasingly, though about the effect my mother's behaviour could have on the DCs as they get older and I may have to make some even harder choices about that in due course. Oh dear.

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WhereYouLeftIt · 11/11/2011 15:31

"priority access" Confused ?? She thinks she has priority over your MIL?

She is quite the loon.

Sorry, OP, it is a horrible situation for you to be in.