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To not agree to ban MIL- long

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LuckyRocketshipUnderpants · 10/11/2011 14:14

I?m afraid this is one of those ?parents vs MIL visiting post baby's arrival ? messes and I?m sorry it?s sooo long but there is some history which I really need to give to avoid drip feeding.

I?m expecting DC2 at Christmas. It?s my DH?s first child. I have also DD age 4 from a previous relationship.

DH's widowed mother lives about 45 minutes away. It's her first DGC, as DH is an only child himself. We see her maybe once a month or, either at our home and hers, at times that mutually suit. We all get on well. She loves DD, she?s nice to me and she?s been extremely supportive of us in various ways, including when DH became very ill with depression.

My parents live overseas. When DD was born, they bought property within walking distance of us and started spending between 3-5 months here at a time. We also used to go over to see them at least once a year.

My mother and MIL had a big shouty falling out a couple years ago. Everyone else has tried to put it behind us & move on- but my mother has since held a serious grudge against MIL.

Matters finally came to a head when my mother demanded that MIL make herself scarce for the whole of one of their visits. We?re talking 4 months. And that included us not going to see MIL. She went spectacularly off the deep end when I tried to gently but firmly explain that this was quite unreasonable, for many reasons but not the least because DH was still on the mend from serious depressive llness. As a result of not getting their way that summer, my parents chose to stop coming over to visit for extended periods- and even decided to then put their property on the market (even knowing by then that I was pregnant with DC2.) My DD, who adores them, has been more than a little confused and saddened by their absence.

So, my parents made it clear to me that they had prior plans for Christmas- and so would not be here for DC2?s birth. No problem, we said, and since we haven?t been there in awhile, we made plans to fly over to see them with both the DCs in the spring- which is about as soon as we think we could reasonably manage it.

Then last week my mother said they would like to come to visit after the birth- but they want to be certain of their ?priority access? . In other words, in order to accommodate them, my mother says it is MY responsibility to ensure that MIL is "completely banned" for the duration of their stay (however long that may be). They think that MIL gets to see the DCs ?whenever she wants? all year long- and that their reward for time, effort and expense of their coming is that everyone else now gets out their road, as per their wishes.

I told her in no uncertain terms I was not prepared to ban MIL this way. I don?t even know if MIL would in fact want be around or not while my parents are here- but I know she?d be extremely angry if it were to be suggested to her she?s in any way barred.

I totally can see how my folks want to ensure they get ?their? time with the baby and DD. But while we would make every effort to be welcoming and facilitate that as much as possible, I also think the world should not necessarily revolve exclusively around them and that it?s out of order to expect they can dicate to us this way- especially when they are coming to OUR home.

My mother is now furious and upset. And I feel I really don't need any of this stress- and especially not after I've just given birth.

What do you think-AIBU?

OP posts:
ShoutyHamster · 10/11/2011 15:01

Priority Access? What are you, an amusement park?

Time your mother grew up and realised that one does not issue demands and throw tantrums when discussing visits to someone else's home, and time with someone else's family.

It sounds as if your mother sees you somehow as not that someone else, but as her child - hers to control/restrict/make demands of. Her child, who also doesn't happen to have another branch to the family now - that of her MIL and DH!

You aren't just her child now. You have your own family which includes MIL and that deserves equal respect, argument or not. I'd tell her exactly where to go right now - in the interests of giving her a big fat shock and possibly preventing a permanent falling out at some stage. If she doesn't change her behaviour, she's going to lose you and her grandhildren.

LuckyRocketshipUnderpants · 10/11/2011 15:03

Ha! I had explained the row between MIL and DM- but took it out because I felt I was writing you all a novel as it was.

OK- what happened was this. It was just before my wedding to DH. Emotions were running a bit high all around. While we were visiting MIL's house one day, I lost my temper at DH over something and I got just a bit shouty at the kitchen sink with him for the first time ever. It was wrong of me to do so- but in my defence, I was extremely sleep deprived from DD waking up at 4.30am every day as she used to do, as well as very stressed about the wedding.

MIL didn't say anything at the time but I later learned she was very offended-not so much that I was shouting at her son but that I was doing so in her home. She was quite right, too, really, it was out of order of me. My family tends to be the shouty sort without people taking it too much to heart, so I didn't realise right away how offended MIL was. When I realised she was upset, I offered a wholehearted and unconditional apology to MIL, which she accepted. No problems since then.

My parents were supposed to be staying at MIL's house during the wedding (since the venue was in MIL's home town). They decided for various reasons to make other plans & stay in a hotel. My mother phoned MIL to explain this.

Unfortunately, with typically bad cosmic timing, the telephone call took place before I had realised I had caused offence and apologised. So MIL took the opportunity to vent that I had been shouty with DH and how much this had upset her. My mother didn't know anything about the incident and so was a bit taken aback. She probably should have just have stayed out of it but as I say, emotions high and all that. I guess she felt like MIL was criticising me though and the two of them ended up having some strong words. I don't know exactly what was said, because I only really got my mother's version of the phone call, although it's clear they each thought the other person was behaving ridiculously.

The difference is regardless of what was said at the time, my MIL was willing to simply draw a line under it and move on. There have since been a couple of olive brances offered from MIL's side- which my mother utterly refused (for example, MIL hosted a small gathering at her house for family & close friends the day after the wedding, to which my parents were invited. They refused to attend, much to my mortification.)

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ChocolateBiscuitCake · 10/11/2011 15:07

Oh dear - it doesn't put your Mum in a good light, so it still remains that your DM is BU.

I said earlier, and just in case you missed it Wink: can you not talk to your father about all of this? I find my Dad rather better at getting through to my Mum when she is being irrational?!

ShoutyHamster · 10/11/2011 15:10

Sounds like everyone bar your mum (parents) is able to be adult, realise that loving relationships are more important than temporary spats, and act with grace.

Point out to your mum (lovingly :)) that if she continues being the odd man out here - she will be the one to lose. Because life will go on, you'll all get used to pottering along without her, she will be the one being awkward and bearing grudges, she will be the one missing out on her grandchild because it will be easier to leave her in the exclusion zone she's busy creating for herself.

MIL has made peace offerings - it's high time for your mum to show equal maturity and committment to making your family a harmonious one.

pollyblue · 10/11/2011 15:11

Ooh so a bit of fault on both sides initially, MIL has tried to make amends but your mum has dug her little heels in and is refusing to make peace?

Fair enough your mum got irate on your behalf, if she thought your MIL was critising you. Have you asked your mum why she's still bearing a grudge? Her behaviour does seem a bit extreme and protracted, surely she mus trealise how awkward it's making life for you? Or has she always been a stubborn bugger?

margoandjerry · 10/11/2011 15:16

Your mum is behaving horribly and you should definitely not give in to that. However...

You sound like someone who is very accommodating to everyone and basically a very nice person unlike me. I think it was very normal of you to go a bit OTT with your DH just before the wedding and perhaps a bit odd of your MIL to pick you up on it and raise it with your own mum. Yet your response is to issue heartfelt apologies to MIL, leaving your own mum looking a bit exposed because she felt she should stand up for you.

So without raking over those old coals, might it be that your mum feels as though you are doing lots to accommodate MIL and she didn't like hearing you criticised and is saddened that you don't seem to appreciate her defence of you? In other words, she's jealous of the relationship you seem to have with MIL?

I'm not excusing her current craziness but MIL seems to be getting all the credit here and actually your mum doesn't quite see it like that. Could you take the heat of the situation with her by making some special time for her as well?

LuckyRocketshipUnderpants · 10/11/2011 15:18

Yes, I did try to talk to my dad about it (when my mother finally finished ripping me a new one and abruptly handed the phone to him, weeping audibly). I love my dad dearly, but he's such an enabler and he always, always, always takes her side no matter how crazy she is being. When we fell out the first time about MIL that summer, I tried to go round to speak to them to get them to see reason and at her request he shut the door in my face and refused to discuss anything (while she threatened in the background to phone the police if I didn't get off the property. Niiice).

Despite some shocking behaviour on her part (of which the type of above is just one example of many), DH and I have tried to done our best to maintain some sort of relationship which enables them to see and be involved with DD and now the baby- but not at the expense of certain boundaries we've set down. Sadly, it doesn't seem to be working as my mother seems determined to spoil it with her insane demands. And it makes me very, very sad...

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oranges · 10/11/2011 15:19

i wonder if your mum is trying to be protective of you and getting it all wrong in doing so? so she thinks you are dealing with a mil who criticised you and a dh with depression and feels she has to stake a claim on you to help you? could you spend some time with her and say everything youve said on here to her kindly?

oranges · 10/11/2011 15:20

cross posts. sorry.

pictish · 10/11/2011 15:27

YANBU! No way.

Your mother is bang out of order. Do NOT give in and impose that ban. I have seldom heard such a ridiculous foot stamping demand from an adult in my life. She is being hateful.Behaviour like that should never be rewarded.

Good luck...I feel dead sorry for you, you know. xxx

NoHunIntended · 10/11/2011 15:27

I think it will be more your mother's loss than your DC's, especially when you consider what awful behaviour they will learn from her if you allow her to get away with this kind of thing. I'd tell her she can't control this, and it is up to her if she wants to move forward and be a part of your lives, or not.

ChippingInNeedsSleep · 10/11/2011 15:55

OMG it just gets worse doesn't it. Your father shut the door in your face and your mother threatens to call the police - and all over a few heated words you had with your DH. Blimey. They really need to get a grip.

Do not cave into this absolute stupidity.

pictish · 10/11/2011 15:57

No-one can ever expect to monopolise somebody else's home with their outlandish demands like that, and succeed.
It's an out and out YANBU.

NinkyNonker · 10/11/2011 16:20

Yanbu at all, and well done for sticking up for your mil.

longjane · 10/11/2011 16:51

i can really see your mother point of view here
your MIL is seeing her grandchild at will and she cant
your MIL said some really horrible things about you and never appolised (you did but she never did to your mum)

why dont you talk to your MIL about this as she is was a fault 1st with talking to your parents like that,
and seeing if she will write a letter saying sorry for what she did and how wonderful you are
and thanking them for sharing their grandchild with her.
and how she is looking forward to her son child being born and thanking them for you.

as for the rest of you mum stuff well i think she is very hurt that because she stood up for you .

cricketballs · 10/11/2011 17:34

but longjane - the reason the mil is seeing her grandchild 'at will' is because of the proximity as the op explained in her 1st post that her parents sold the house close to them and now live full time overseas.

From what I read from the 'argument' the mil expressed her feelings about the incident and that it upset her 9op hasn't said that horrible things were said about her) it is also obvious that the op and mil have forgotten the incident and moved on; the op's mum should accept that and not make ludicrous demands that are not acceptable to anyone!

Flisspaps · 10/11/2011 17:50

I don't think that you should even entertain the idea of asking MIL to write your mother a sucky-up letter 'thanking them for sharing the grandchild with her' or to 'thank them for you'

Hmm
NinkyNonker · 10/11/2011 17:54

"Thank them for sharing their grandchild"? How does that work? Do they have dibs as the mother's parents or something?

exoticfruits · 10/11/2011 17:58

YANBU.
I would just tell you mother that it is her problem, for her to sort out, and nothing to do with you and you are not getting involved. Tell her that you grew out of that sort of thing in the playground!
Just tell her they are welcome, but you will see who you like when you like.
After that, treat her like a DC and don't give her attention over it. Just sound like a record 'I have explained it once, I am not going over it again'.

exoticfruits · 10/11/2011 17:59

MIL most definitely shouldn't write any letters!

pollyblue · 10/11/2011 18:00

Just read your post next OP. My mum is very fond of histrionics too, but i think even she'd draw the line at calling the police to have me 'removed'.....

How much longer does she think she/you can carry on like this? Could you have once last talk with her, give her the opportunity to explain why she feels she needs to maintain such antagonism towards your MIL and explain to her how you feel?

She does sound bonkers Grin

pollyblue · 10/11/2011 18:01

sorry that should read 'last post OP.' Shocking typing today..........

Ghoulwithadragontattoo · 10/11/2011 18:01

I actually feel sorry for your mum. She' obviously being petty about the visit but MIL has obviously pissed her off with her criticism of you (which she should never have made to you DM). And actually you don't know the full extent of what was said that day so it's understandable that your mum's upset with MIL still.

ballstoit · 10/11/2011 18:08

YANBU. Your Mum sounds deranged and I think giving into this demand will just lead to another one.

Out of interest, how long are they planning to stay for?

Lucyinthepie · 10/11/2011 18:09

What was said between the mums is irrelevant. That's between them and they either come to terms or they don't. It's unreasonable for anyone to think they can stop any regular visitor coming into your home, and it's unreasonable for your mother to carry on like this when she knows how much stress it's causing you.
All I can think of is to write a letter to your mum and dad, telling them some of that, and that you love them but won't be involved in any way in your mum's argument with MIL .

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