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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

...to ask for another meeting with DS's teacher?

39 replies

Baroozer · 09/11/2011 22:01

It was parent-teacher conferences a few days ago. DS is in Yr 3. In every single parent-teacher conference before, I've been told about his work, strengths and weaknesses, a brief bit about how he's behaving, a few anecdotes, etc. Pretty normal stuff. I always make sure I have a few questions to ask about aspects of schoolwork, e.g. which times tables should he be learning, or how he seems socially, but nothing too deep. I have never heard anything worse than that my DS can be perfectionist about some things which makes him worried about trying, but last year his teacher made a point of encouraging him to fail, if that makes sense, and after a term he seemed to be back merrily trying without worrying overly much.
This time, with his new teacher, it was completely different. It was, bluntly, a character assassination. Six minutes of how awful my DS is: he is violent towards other children, he over-reacts all the time, he cries at the slightest thing, he is too polite (!) in group situations. At one point his teacher said, "Quite often when I listen to him I can tell he is the eldest of a large family. He thinks that simply being polite will make people listen to him."
I picked up on the violence thing of course, and she said, "Yes, he hit another child with a hoop. By accident, but it still counts as violence." I asked if there had been any other incidents because we do not condone physical violence at all and DS is not naturally a violent child, and she said there hadn't been any. So hitting another child with a hoop once by accident = being violent towards other children.
Once she had finished talking, I asked about his work because she hadn't said a single word about it. She said, "Oh, his maths is adequate. Now, I think it's time for you to go."
I don't want to drip-feed so I'll explain that my FiL was diagnosed with terminal cancer over the summer holidays which has naturally upset my DS. I mentioned it to his teacher at the start of term and also wrote in DS's homework journal when FiL started radiotherapy, just to clarify that if DS seems upset this is probably the reason. I can see that a child who over-reacts and cries at small things might be a bit of a PITA for a teacher, but his grandfather is dying a pretty painful, drawn-out death so surely a bit of empathy wouldn't go amiss! I am also wondering if she actually remembers about DS's grandfather's illness.
Anyway, what with all that negative feedback, I didn't get round to asking my one single question, which is why DS is coming home with reading books he read two years ago. He is reading Harry Potter at home so I'm not terribly fussed about the books he brings home from school being at a much lower level, but it would be nicer for him to have a bit more of a challenge.
So AIBU to ask for another meeting to offer an explanation for DS's recent over-sensitivity and also to ask WTF is the problem with being polite, why a single accidental hoop incident means a child is labelled as violent and why oh why oh why is DS coming home with reading books way below his reading level?
Sorry about the long post.

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IneedAbetterNickname · 09/11/2011 22:05

I would ask for another meeting if it were me, but fwiw, my DS1 is also year 3, and also brings home books he read 2 years ago. When I asked his teacher, she said that they let the children pick their own reading book to bring home, but that he is reading harder ones at school.

exoticfruits · 09/11/2011 22:09

Speaking as a teacher, from what you have said, it sounds a very unhelpful meeting. I would go back, but get things very clear first-write down some points to discuss. Be polite, but make sure that you get your way to discuss things. I wonder how you can be too polite in a group situation? Hmm
She didn't give you adequate feedback on Maths and it was a very rude ending! If you are not happy, take it up with the Head.

Baroozer · 09/11/2011 22:14

I did wonder if it was him choosing the books, INABN, but apparently they don't get to do that in Yr 3.
My dad is a teacher too and was pretty underwhelmed when I told him about it, exotic. Also his teacher is the Head (small village school) so that makes it a bit more important to get it right first time.

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IneedAbetterNickname · 09/11/2011 22:16

I just spent about 2 minutes trying to work out what INABN stood for, then realised it was me Blush and Grin at my stupidity!

troisgarcons · 09/11/2011 22:17

You have lot of personal and emotional situations a the end of your OP = from a personal POV - that is the sort of thing I would have spoken to/sent a note in/phoned about

We do knock teachers, but something I have learned is that at heart - teachers are very pastoral - they dont forget the small things that affect their class or year group.

exoticfruits · 09/11/2011 22:19

I wouldn't worry too much about the books at the moment.
I would concentrate on the very strange comment that he thinks that being polite will make people listen to him-surely it would-or am I missing something? Confused
I would also go into how one accidental incident with a hoop makes him violent and explain, yet again, why he might be tearful.
Ask what she means by 'maths being adequate'-adequate for what?

Baroozer · 09/11/2011 22:21

troisgarcons, in my OP I said that I mentioned my FiL's illness to the teacher at the beginning of term and also that I wrote a note in his homework journal when the radiotherapy started. I also told my DD's teacher and wrote a similar note in the homework journal - DD's teacher asks about my FiL every other week, talks to me if DD has been more upset than normal, makes sure that we know that she will do her utmost to help DD when the end comes. DS's teacher has never mentioned it to me at all.

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exoticfruits · 09/11/2011 22:22

Do other parents have problems with her?

Baroozer · 09/11/2011 22:25

exotic, I assume adequate means he is getting on ok. He is working with Yr 4 children in the second highest group so can't be doing too badly. I asked about his work in general with a view to slipping seamlessly into my question about reading books, but it didn't work!

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exoticfruits · 09/11/2011 22:28

Adequate isn't very clear-it could be like Ofsted saying satisfactory, or it could mean average, or it could mean enough to get by.

Baroozer · 09/11/2011 22:29

One other parent has mentioned a similar parent-teacher consultation, focussing entirely on the negative behaviour of her DD.

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mummytime · 09/11/2011 22:31

Sorry she might be the head but she sounds pretty awful. Best you can do is keep going in to see her, and get updated on how violent he is etc. Maybe give her a behaviour book, where she puts a smiley, sad or neutral face for how he has been for each lesson. If you constantly work with her, and question her she might come to see he isn't that bad. It worked for us with DS in year 1, but I do still sometimes wonder if we should have just moved him instead.

Baroozer · 09/11/2011 22:33

I feel quite awkward about this. I grew up in a family of teachers who had lots of teacher friends so I was always taught to respect them. I am planning on applying for teacher training myself next year, when my youngest can go to pre-school. In our house, the basic rule was that the teacher was respected and assumed to be right, regardless. But I feel like I would be failing my DS if I assumed that this teacher was right.

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exoticfruits · 09/11/2011 22:34

I don't think that you should just let it go. Stay polite and friendly, but pop in and say that, after mulling it over, you think that it needs a further meeting.
If she is as dismissive as she was at the end (I can't imagine having such an abrupt ending!) I would ask for a meeting with the Head about your worries.

Baroozer · 09/11/2011 22:36

She is the Head!

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exoticfruits · 09/11/2011 22:37

Oh! Tricky!

exoticfruits · 09/11/2011 22:38

If she is the Head she must have someone else teaching part of the week. Could you try and have a quiet word with them?

Baroozer · 09/11/2011 22:43

Yes, I can do that. Other teacher wasn't at the parent-teacher conference, but she should be able to tell me her opinion of DS's behaviour and about the books.

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exoticfruits · 09/11/2011 22:44

Sorry-I am off to bed, not ignoring you. Hopefully someone else will come along with advice. She can't be Head and teaching all the time, someone else must take them sometimes-tactfully ask them about the 'violence'etc.(without putting them in a difficult position)

minxofmancunia · 09/11/2011 22:45

I'd ask for another meeting, if not satisfied then go to the head, if not satisfied then go above the head. IME professionally unfortunately a lot of teachers can be like this, they speak to the parents like they are the pupils and are judgemental, dismissive and reductionist. I liaise with teachers every day at work and they are often reactionary and make sweeping statements with no real evidence to back it up. I'd love to say it was only the odd one but it's not, sorry teachers just my experience! A lot of them are excellent at teaching but their adult to adult communication and interpersonal skills could do with a bit of work.

Believe me their word SO isn't always right!! I think as the parent you have to assert your control and be a bit of a pain TBH. I've had to do this with my dds reception teacher re a couple of things and I got an apology.

exoticfruits · 09/11/2011 22:45

Cross posted. That is the way to go. I remember my brother having a terrible report from his teacher (the Head) and the other teacher gave them a completely different acccount.

exoticfruits · 09/11/2011 22:46

The teacher is the Head minx!

minxofmancunia · 09/11/2011 22:49

Oh gosh sorry!

Does your council have parent partnership or similar who advocate for parents and liaise with schools?

If the head of my dcs school had this attitude I'd move them. there's no way I'd let my dc be labelled as violent, she sounds completely unprofessional!

Baroozer · 09/11/2011 22:53

I think there is a parent partnership, but honestly I'd rather get this sorted out without having to resort to Higher Powers. When I came home from parents' evening, I was seriously thinking of home-schooling!

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cory · 10/11/2011 08:30

I also grew up in a family of teachers but the lesson I took from that is that teachers are human beings- some are cleverer than others, some are nicer than others, you have to be polite to them because of the situation of mutual dependence you are in, but you don't have to entertain feelings of deep respect or believe in your heart of hearts that any one teacher is right at any particular moment of time.

(And tbh this is how I would like my students to feel about me: they have to perform their share of the deal whatever, but they don't have to believe in me until I show that I can be believed in.)

As far as I can tell, there have been problems here, OP; this teacher has not been able to communicate well with you and she has upset you. You don't have to feel guilty about that, but you do have to think about how you can do your next bit as effectively as possible.

I would go in again, but prepared with a set of questions, keep very calm and pretend you are just asking for information because you want to help the school. Explain calmly about your home situations and get her to agree that a certain amount of tearfulness is inevitable in the circumstances. Then ask for positive suggestions: how should your ds alter his behaviour in group situations, how could he be helped to control any overreactions? Take notes of everything she is saying and then send her a letter about and ask her to confirm that this is what you talked about, these were the suggestions made and could she just confirm that you have understood them correctly.

fwiw dd had an absolutely awful headteacher in junior school (if we had known what we now know we would have sued the school), but what I really do regret is not being organised enough with the paperwork.