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To think that schools need to get much tougher on low level disruption & it's no wonder we're apparently falling behind other countries in terms of educational attainment.

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Cortina · 31/10/2011 08:28

After reading the Ofsted report for a local primary I have been thinking that parents and teachers should get much tougher and expect higher standards of behaviour from children. It's no wonder we're apparently falling behind in terms of educational attainment when so many excuses are seemingly made for poor behaviour and low level disruption. At the risk of sounding ancient the sort of letter received by pupils below would be unthinkable 20 years ago.

Excerpts from Ofsted 'letter to pupils':

Sometimes we saw that the work teachers set was either too hard or too easy or a bit boring and then unsurprisingly some of you lost interest and started to misbehave. We think you behave well most of the time, especially in interesting and enjoyable lessons. Sometimes, when the lessons are a bit dull and not so exciting, some of you get restless and begin to disturb others.

The letter goes on to make excuses for low level disruption and some occasional bad behaviour and say that this isn't the children's fault at all. It ends with a request that they smile through and that the officers have noticed it's a good, safe school so they're lucky.

If I read this as an 11 year old child I would assume:

  1. I could blame the rather dull lessons & poor lesson planning/teaching for my disruptive behaviour.

  2. Wonder why on earth rather dull lessons were on the agenda at all? If the adults think lessons are sometimes boring and a bit pointless then I may as well switch off.

  3. To think there were no sanctions or consequences for poor behaviour.

I think we need to wake up. Our children are going to have to compete in an increasingly globalised world. Can you imagine this being written and circulated to children in South Korea, Singapore or China? How the teachers would laugh at us circulating letters like this to pupils.

And I hate to bring up the private/state thing but how many prep schools do you think would have this philosophy? Surely we set our children up for failure with these sort of platitudes and half-baked excuses for poor behaviour.

My wider experience tells me that these sort of attitudes are not isolated to one (good by the way) Primary. I can see that they are trying to 'get the children on side' but I don't think it's working for reasons stated above.

OP posts:
Mamateur · 01/11/2011 17:48

Hm, well I do think there's a step between 'embarrassment' and 'humiliation' but as I said I'm no expert. I have been very strict with DN over the past year, I have torn him off several strips for his bad behaviour and despite his granny's wailing that he wouldn't like me if I told him off, we now have a good relationship and I think he respects me. Noone had ever told him off before.
What I mean is, being strict will not make the student hate you, quite the opposite, children respond positively to firm boundaries. I do agree that the teacher imposed sanctions and followed them through (sending him out) but I believe it is possible to control talking out of turn without resorting to exiting. Certainly other teachers managed it.

DN has had a rough time over the past year, it must have felt bad to be told off so much all the time, but he has been forced to try and this has given him self-esteem. I have just this second received a glowing, spontaneous email from his french teacher who last year described him as a troublemaker saying he was an asset to his class. He has beaten the it's not cool to be clever culture and learned how rewarding it is to do well.

toptramp · 01/11/2011 18:11

As a teacher I hope that my lessons are interesting; however some kids will never find anything and will therefore continue to disrupt my lesson. They need to get punished but Ofsteds report says it all and demonstrates why our education system is fucked; all the power is in the pupils hands. It is not up to the teachers to get tougher but up to OFSTED to say if you are misbehaving that is YOUR fault and not the teacher's.

toptramp · 01/11/2011 18:12

Ofsted's sorry

toptramp · 01/11/2011 18:14

never find anything interesting sorry. Goch my typos. Must be suffering after a day of disciplining the disaffected!

alemci · 01/11/2011 18:22

brilliant Mamateur. It is hard. My DS is in Y9 and he gets into trouble for being silly and chatting etc.

I think boys do tend to get bored as they may be more physical than girlsand all that testoreone racing around.

He does love his music though

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