to be absolutely horrified by Educating Essex

[spiderpig8]

i would stick pins in my eyes before i sent my kids to a place like that!!
I was watching it woth DS1 who is 16 and he was absolutely speechless at the lack of discipline and the immaturity of the pupils.
Where to start?

Why aren't they all seated in rows facing the front? They seem to be sitting clustered around tables like infants, .No wonder they don't concentrate and are disruptive.
The girls look like hookers with thick make up and very short skirts
If that was top set maths?? At 16 learning how to work out the area of a circle?? The teacher was uninspiring and unenthusiastic. And I had t laugh when it zoomed in on Carrie's so-called 9 GCSEs.She had b in English and |C in maths and that was it.the rest were btecs , functional skills, citizenship and crap that isn't worth the paper it's written on.

The head and deputy are twerps.Skating about in swivel chairs in the corridor, allowing the kids to snowball them.They try to be the kids mates rather than their role models.How can they command any respect?
Most of all allowing their pupils to appear on national television , making serious false allegations against staff, and sending abusive bullying texts.
And this is an ofsted outstanding school!!

It would actually be illegal to search children for phones.Teachers can search for drugs and weapons but that is all.That would apply to your independent schools too.It is a breach of human rights.

Surely the primary purpose of a school is to educate children.If you look at passmore results you will see that out of a cohort of 173 children only 8 A*s in academic subjects were obtained. That is disgraceful!!!

Yes, bit what is their value added? What other schools are there, are they selective etc? Value added is the key stat here.

Contextual value added is 1016 which means that the average student passes nearly 3 GCSEs a grade higher than at a school with a comparable intake.

don't worry, Mrs DeVere

there are only a few frothers on here

and they're not exactly helping their argument, either

spiderpig, it would only be 'disgraceful' if there were students at the school who should be getting A*s but aren't. The CVA score suggests that this is not the case.

I went to a Catholic school. I knew at least 6 pregnant girls, and double that amount who were selling blowjobs in the toilets for cigarettes. It was ridiculous.

I want to know if the 'boot out the troublemakers' camp would have really expelled Vinnie. He was a complete pain in the arse, but only after his parents divorced and his dad swapped him in his affections for his new girlfriend's son and his mum then kicked him out and put him into a children's home.

Would you really have had the school say 'We don't want you either'?

Thanks NobleGiraffe! I couldn't look stats up on phone.

I can't believe that any comprehensive cohort of 173 children couldn't achieve way way more than 8 a*s between them had they been at a half decent school

Noblegiraffe- re Vinnie.but you have to balance that against the harm he is doing to the education and hence life chances of dozens of other kids.Why is he more important?

what harm did he do, spiderpig?

I saw that particular ep but have no idea...think he spent a lot of time in isolation/talking to teachers, but not in the classroom, iirc

ChandonSat 22-Oct-11 19:05:28
troisgracons, it sounds like you try to have the full United Colours of B. collection.
Do you have an ethnic/class chart which you tick?

No, Love, I don't do colour, race or religion - as 2nd generation immigrant - I only do work ethic. If you havent got that, you can go whistle down the wind I'm afraid. But I get away with it because I look like you and talk like you. You'd never know I wasn't culturally the same as you.

For those of you who want to start spending cash on employing someone to frisk children - do remember a warrant is needed to search your house and you can also refuse a strip search without a court order so lets put a reality check in here. A child has the right to refuse to be frisked unless a suitable adult of their choosing is present. Most wouldnt know/apply that though. Most will hand over their contraband if asked.

If a school doesnt have a no mobile rule in place then that IMHO is foolish and disruptive to learning. Most schools do have a no mobile rule; again whether that is applied fully or ignored by teachers and pupils alike is entirely another matter.

spiderpig - it depends on the intake. Comprehensive doesn't mean an equal range of abilities, especially if there are private or grammar schools nearby creaming off the top end.

Could you have told Vinnie he was to be kicked out even after his mum kicked him out of his house and he still came to school? Children in care usually have very poor outcomes and you would compound this by adding a permanent exclusion to his record?

As Jack says, he didn't seem to spend much time in the classroom. There are other ways of dealing with children like this.

spiderpig8 you will make brilliant material for that comedienne woman who was posting the other day.

She might even dedicate a whole sketch to you - it would certainly be richly deserved!

giraffe- the fact that he still came to school was a testament to its strengths/effectiveness

that the school was the only constant in his life at that time- and that he trusted the staff

amazing.

We have an apparently well respected independent school in our town too and I know for a fact that the "Matron" of the "San" (delightful Enid Blyton St Clare's terms) orders a job lot of pregnancy tests from one of the local pharmacies every month for the female borders.

The sixth form girls are allowed to deviate from the usual school uniform and skirts that resemble pelmets, blouses virtually unbuttoned to the waist and Christian Louboutin inspired heels all worn together with very liberally applied make-up are commonplace.

Or are we to presume that bad behaviour, foul language teen sex, smoking, drinking, recreational drug taking and girls wearing make-up are the preserve of the state sector?

I think not and only the most naive would think so.

Is anyone going to tell me and anyone else who cares to listen, what Pi actually IS??

I think the staff at the school on Educating Essex are amazing too.

Only in the state sector would you find teachers like that who would take the time to undertstand kids and strive so hard to help them achieve the best possible outcomes.

Oh no Sugar, it's too stupid a question to bother answering.

Peri I am the last person to defend independent education . But it is sheer prejudice or misinformation to say that teachers in the independent sector care less .

I agree Twinkly, mine certainly cared.